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Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:36 pm
by DUBBN
I was going through my notes and journals. I discovered that about once a year. Between the end of January and the middle of March I find Little Black Stones Flies , sitting on top of snow drifts, or sitting on ice.

About once per year, maybe twice on a special year, Black soft hackles work, when I see these bugs.

I have nothing Black in my arsenal right now, so I added some patterns.

I have a hunch a Peacock and Partridge would work.


Hook - WFC model 6, size 16
Thread- Veevus Black, 14/0
Rib - Xsmall UTC, Silver
Thorax- Purple Peacock (just because)
Collar - Herbert Miner, Black Hen Cape

I found a 2X long size 16 hook on my desk as I was tying these up. I threw a bead on it and tied as the others.

If I can find a pic I took of the Little Stone adult I will post it.

I nymph with these when those bugs are present. I am most productive when nymphing the tops of drop offs, rather than deep runs. Especially if those sharp drop offs are below a riffle.


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Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:58 pm
by letumgo
I’ve encountered the small black stoneflies too. Somewhere I think I have a picture of one sitting in the snow, along the stream.

Good stuff!

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm
by ForumGhillie
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I have a web page dedicated to the Early Black stoneflies with a video of them crawling on the snow and ice...

https://wiflyfisher.com/Little-Black-Stonefly-Hatch.asp

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:05 pm
by Roadkill
DUBBN,

Nice Inspiration!!

Here is my Winter Stone... I hope to fish with ronr.

ImageIMGP1243 by William Lovelace, on Flickr

It is a #18 tied with Brown silk, xs silver rib and a Starling hackle. It might be a little large for the Winer Stones I have seen here in Oregon. ;)

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:09 pm
by DUBBN
Roadkill wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:05 pm DUBBN,

Nice Inspiration!!

Here is my Winter Stone... I hope to fish with ronr.

ImageIMGP1243 by William Lovelace, on Flickr

It is a #18 tied with Brown silk, xs silver rib and a Starling hackle. It might be a little large for the Winer Stones I have seen here in Oregon. ;)
Holy Moly Bill!! That is hot. I officially have a man crush on you now!!!

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:08 am
by ronr
Until today there was snow along the banks on the Metolius, last night heavy rains will have washed that away. But, I did not see any little black stones on Sunday. I did see what I think may have been willow flies. I think they are a variety of stonefly and both DUBBN's and Roadkill's bugs would have been good imitations...

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:05 pm
by ForumGhillie
ronr wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:08 am Until today there was snow along the banks on the Metolius, last night heavy rains will have washed that away. But, I did not see any little black stones on Sunday. I did see what I think may have been willow flies. I think they are a variety of stonefly and both DUBBN's and Roadkill's bugs would have been good imitations...
There are several Winter stoneflies. I am not aware of what early season stonefly species you have out West. In the Upper Midwest i have identified two Winter stoneflies - the early black stonefly (size #18) and the early brown stonefly (size #12).

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Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:43 pm
by Roadkill
Rick Hafele & Dave Hughes in their 1981 book The Complete Book of Western Hatches identified 4 Small Brown Stones (Genus: Nemoura (Little Brown Stone), Leuctra (Needle Fly), Capnia (Winter Stone), and Brachyptera (Little Red Stone). It has been one of my favorite reference books since 1985! The website Westfly online was great while it lasted. Trout Nut replaced that for me.
http://www.troutnut.com/common-name/391/Willowflies

The classifications may have changed since then, but little black flies when the snow is on the ground may be the thing to try. I would bet a Trico or even some midges would work well in a pinch! ;)

Bugwater 2010 by Oregonian Arlen Thomason includes the possibility of some larger Skwala stoneflies in his Bugs of Winter... chapter. 8-)

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:02 pm
by ForumGhillie
I have Rick Hafele's book An Angler's Guide To Aquatic Insects and Their Imitations, published in 1995. The only classification change at that time was the Little Red Stones (Taeniopteryx).

John

Re: Black Spider... kind of

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:42 am
by hankaye
Howdy All;

Thought I'd throw this in to the mix regarding your what I have conversation.
According to NMDG&F's Tues. Fishing report;

San Juan River: Stream flow Monday morning was 397 cfs. In accordance with the Public Health Order, effective Dec. 3, NM State Parks reopened to New Mexico residents for day-use only. Please check the State Parks’ website for more information. Fishing for trout in the quality waters was good using small size 24 chocolate foam wing emergers, size 20 black zebra midges, size 22 crystal midges, black flashbacks, black Baetis fly patterns and small chartreuse egg patterns.

hank