Leaders for Swing Wets

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby Roadkill » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:14 am

In about 1979 I started to build my own knotted tapered mono leaders similar to John's after reading about them in Fly Fishing by Tom McNally. I owe a lot of my early flyfishing influences to reading Outdoor Life magazine and Field and Stream. My next transition came with making my own furled leaders in 2006 and those grace most of my flylines now. A furled leader butt and a knot-less tapered mono leader from your favorite shop virtually eliminates those weed/ leader knot hangups.

A very complete read about making your own leaders to suit your fishing can be found in this book...
https://www.amazon.com/Drag-Free-Drift- ... free+drift
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby Greenwell » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:10 pm

The use of knotless tapered leaders for most or part of a leader system to defeat weeds is certainly valid and I used it pretty extensively in the past. However, and this is just my opinion, I believe I can get better performance with a fully knotted leader, and I will sacrifice an occasional break-off for confidence in my presentation. While weeds can be a problem with any leader, with a knotted design I find that weed clumps can be kept to a minimum if the knots are carefully tied and closely trimmed . I fished the Big Horn for a few days last October, a river I spent a lot of time on in the 1980's and '90's. There were still residual Tricos and good numbers of bank feeders. I only remember losing one fish to weeding, for which I blamed myself, and not my leader.
The majority of the fishing I do both east (Delaware System) and west (Spring Creeks, Tail Waters) is in rivers where weed is an issue for much if not most of the season so I have some experience with fishing in the salad. One general observation I have made over the years is that most eastern weed is slimy and more tenacious and holds water, whereas western weed will often shake dry and can be flipped off the leader fairly easily when it is lifted from the water.

Of course we are drifting into dry fly waters here........weed can be a real hindrance when fishing Spiders on any type of leader, especially if one is inclined to fish on the swing.
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby WiFlyfisher » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:57 am

The biggest issues I have had with knotted leaders is not during the presentation but instead after I have hooked the fish. They dive down into the weeds or rake my leader through the weeds which then the weeds start to pile up on my leader knots. That won't stop me from using knotted leaders but at times it is a pain. I know last year I had to literally use my foot to kick several really nice hooked trout out of the wed beds they had wedged themselves into.
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby WiFlyfisher » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:22 pm

I stopped in the local fly shop to buy a few spools of Maxima Chameleon leader spools and the owner gave me a hand-tied leader he ties for nymph fishing. The butt section is amnesia and turned over extremely well and sank fast. Anyone using amnesia leader material for the butt section of their hand-tied nymph leaders?

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby Johnno » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:48 am

Nope not Amensia, but the old Cortland flat Mono makes great butt material.. makes a nice nail knot onto the fly line. Lays nice and flat....
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby William Anderson » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:12 am

What a brilliant thread. I've seen several folks talking about using Amnesia in the butt section, but I've never tried it. I do have some that I used to built tenkara leaders. Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby Roadkill » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:41 am

I used Amnesia for a leader butt ( and "sighter") years ago on some of my 6 weight subsurface nymph and streamer knotted taper leaders, also on a steelhead leader built for my 9 weights. I also occasionally use a short in line fluorescent yellow coiled mono sighter 8-) for nymph fishing as shown to me by a member of the US fly fishing team in Idaho on the Big Wood river.

https://diyflyfishing.com/lessons/how-t ... ng-leader/

This coiled sighter is made for drifting but not swinging flies.
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby hankaye » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:26 am

WiFlyfisher, Howdy;

I may not be a fan of Mr. Whitlock either but he does have perls of wisdom that he hands out.
I have George Daniel's book "Dynamic Nymphing", those stay wet all the time as well so .... :?

Anyway, the coiled 'sighter' that Roadkill mentioned is shown on pg. 21 . Well, not just shown
but the building steps are described in detail. He also has a complete section (right at the front
of the book about all the different leaders that he uses and has come across in his experience
with the international trout fishing community.

I find it useful not to discount information solely due to the source, one may be overlooking a
gem stone covered in mud.

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