Leaders for Swing Wets

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Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby WiFlyfisher » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:15 pm

Okay, next season I want to try swinging 2-3 wets (winged and wingless). So I want to build some leaders over the Winter months for swinging 2-3 wets. I am looking for suggestions and what others experiences have been with these type leaders.

In the past I have made many leaders on my own using Maxima along with Rio or another brand tippet material. I don't expect to build these leaders longer than 9 ft since the freestone streams I will be swinging these wets will not require long casts.

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby letumgo » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:23 pm

I came across this article by Dave Whitlock last weekend. On page three, he shows a recipe for a leaded set up which may be just what you are looking for.

FFMS-150028-WHITLOCK.pdf
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Link to Dave's website.
http://davewhitlock.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/FFMS-150028-WHITLOCK.pdf

You might also be interested in this great article about winged wet flies.

http://davewhitlock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/FFMP-11-07-TRADITIONAL-Wet-Flies.pdf

And here is a helpful on-line tool for various leader designs:

http://globalflyfisher.com/leadercalc
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby WiFlyfisher » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:43 pm

Sorry I am not a fan of Dave Whitlock. :-)

Mark Libertone had an article I saw online that mentioned fishing 3 wingless wet together but never said what the leader construction was. I know in a couple of older books I have they mention swinging wets but again the leader construction is not mentioned in detail.

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby Roadkill » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:18 am

This is a great read on the subject...

https://www.amazon.com/Fishing-Tandem-F ... ndem+flies
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby WiFlyfisher » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:14 am

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby zen leecher » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:55 am

here's some pre-tied leaders for sale. The owner also has a nice DVD on wetflies for sale. I have it and it's worth watching.

http://www.wetflywaterguides.com/Produc ... anchor_285
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby hankaye » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:57 pm

Howdy All;

When WiFlyfisher posted the following it raised my basic curiosity level to the "go-n-seek" point.

WiFlyfisher wrote:Sorry I am not a fan of Dave Whitlock. :-)

Mark Libertone had an article I saw online that mentioned fishing 3 wingless wet together but never said what the leader construction was. I know in a couple of older books I have they mention swinging wets but again the leader construction is not mentioned in detail.

Thanks!


What I found is that the troutnut site owner (Jason), has rejuvenated Mark's old websites (after disuussions
with Mark's kids), and they are online here;
http://www.troutnut.com/topic/8260/The- ... -Libertone

the article that was mentioned by WiFlyfisher is, I believe, in the following link about half way down.
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feature ... art402.php

Sure do miss Mark.

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby daringduffer » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:53 pm

For your consideration: http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2938 . Leaders have been discussed previously on the forum but these discussions are not always easy to find.

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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby Old Hat » Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:55 pm

Hey John, that link you found is a decent one and the leader set up will work fine and is similar to the one I use. If you haven't, check out Davy Wotton's DVD "Wet Fly Ways with Davy Wotton." It is a great one. Gives you the full run down. The leader set up really is a small part of the picture. What patterns go where on the leader so it fishes correctly and selecting the right water to use it in is very important. I have by far and away had my best days with multiple-fly rigs fishing the tailouts of knee deep riffles just before they transition into a pool. Smaller water can make this set up quite a bit more difficult to fish with. If you haven't seen the video I may be able to find it in my moving boxes (still boxed up) and send it your way. It used to be on Netflix as well, I don't know if it is still there or not.
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Re: Leaders for Swing Wets

Postby William Anderson » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:33 pm

John, in the past few years I've moved through a series of steps to work out leader constructions. John Shaner shared a few of his favorite leaders built with Maxima mono. These were a serious game changer for me. His leaders are tied to an exceptional tolerance. I never achieved that but I did manage a pile of leaders that I enjoyed very much. His formula used a longer stiffer butt section than other wet fly leaders I've seen. They do roll over really nice and mend beautifully. I never went to a three fly set up as he has on occasion, sticking with two flies keeps me from getting into too much trouble. I have enough trouble avoiding wind knots. The series of blood knots catching my tippet in wind caused enough trouble that I opted for a 9' or 12' Trout Hunter mono leader to 4x or 5x, and added 18 to 24" fluorocarbon tippet to allow for a dropper to be created at the tie in. I like this set up very much. I'd like to work with the hand built leaders again next season.

Thanks for posting this question. It's cool to have all these resources piled up in one slick thread. Thanks guys for all the links.

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