Silk & Wax

Moderators: William Anderson, letumgo

Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Silk & Wax

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:02 am

Just me playing with the scanner settings, but all three of these flies are tied with the same silk.
Top left the silk was drawn over a white candle to give a light coat of wax, top right is a paste wax used for leather dressing and bottom was drawn through the same white candle as number 1, but with enough force to cut into the wax and then burnished with the shaft of my rotary hackle pliers.

Image

Light wax leaves the silk near it's original gold colour, paste wax a near tan and the heavy wax burnished is a real olive hue...... not unlike a Greenwells Glory effect. I know the scan isn't great and I should have tied three identical flies, but it does kind of show the effect.
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
User avatar
Roadkill
Posts: 2494
Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:09 am
Location: Oregon

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Roadkill » Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:14 am

MM,
Nice flies! What about adding a 4th unwaxed silk and then giving them all a dunk to see how they change?
User avatar
Ron Eagle Elk
Posts: 2777
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:33 am
Location: Carmel, Maine

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Ron Eagle Elk » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:35 pm

Jeff,

Do you have any dark wax like a Cobbler's wax? I agree on doing one without wax and giving them a test dunk for color changes.

REE
"A man may smile and bid you hale yet curse you to the devil, but when a good dog wags his tail he is always on the level"
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:07 pm

I do not have any "proper" cobblers wax, but do have some coloured waxes that I have made up, most of which I am not happy with and I am yet to find a reliable source of cobblers here.

Might start again, tie 4 flies- 3 as above, one a virgin that has not seen wax and all the same shape and size. Then use the camera and not the scanner. ;)
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
User avatar
Boris
Posts: 412
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:09 am
Location: Between denial & paranoia in Sydney
Contact:

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Boris » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:16 pm

What hackle feather did you use Jeff?

How do you get the silk to sit so flat? Do you unwind it a bit so the strands partly seperate?
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:39 pm

Boris wrote:What hackle feather did you use Jeff?

How do you get the silk to sit so flat? Do you unwind it a bit so the strands partly seperate?
Hackle is Oyster Catcher roadkill breast. ;)
Maybe the scan does not show the silk wraps so well, the only one really flat is the burnished one. I imagine the paste waxed on, the wax filled the voids and gives the appearance of flat wraps. Wasn't planned that way! :lol: Silk was just wrapped how it came off the bobbin, no twisting or untwisting involved.
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:01 pm

Not quite the same results as yesterday, but 4 on the same hook, same materials and pattern. All that changes is the amount/type of wax.

Image

Top to bottom, virgin gold silk, light white candle wax, heavy white candle wax-burnished and paste wax.

The heavy wax/burnished fly went more of a clear sheen over yellow than yesterdays olive, might have been something to do with the colour of hook shank beneath the silk, or the temperature (few degrees cooler today).
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:15 pm

Same flies, same order...... just wet this time.

Image
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
User avatar
letumgo
Site Admin
Posts: 13346
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:55 pm
Location: Buffalo, New York
Contact:

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by letumgo » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:42 pm

Jeff - Marvelous flies! I love seeing the affect of the wax and then seeing the flies wet. Very cool. I love the look of the Krystal flash, as a tailing material. Just the "right" amount of sparkle. I'll be borrowing that idea...Thanks! ;) :D
Ray (letumgo)----<°))))))><
http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php? ... er=letumgo

"The world is perfect. Appreciate the details." - Dean
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Silk & Wax

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:45 pm

letumgo wrote:Jeff - Marvelous flies! I love seeing the affect of the wax and then seeing the flies wet. Very cool. I love the look of the Krystal flash, as a tailing material. Just the "right" amount of sparkle. I'll be borrowing that idea...Thanks! ;) :D
Cheers Ray. :D *note the Mk2 flies do not have the flash.
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
Post Reply