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*CHUCKLE* I knew that would be your answer. *BIG GRIN*

Hey, I thought of another way of describing the "cross-wrapping" in text. What do you think of this iconology?

Cross-wrapping illustrated with standard ASCII characters:

The hackle and dubbing brush wraps look like this (\\\\\\\\\\): Direction of wraps <-------
The thread wraps look like this (///////): Direction of wraps ------->
Resulting in "cross-wrapping" that looks like this (XXXXXXX) = very durable construction

letumgo wrote:*CHUCKLE* I knew that would be your answer. *BIG GRIN*

Hey, I thought of another way of describing the "cross-wrapping" in text. What do you think of this

Cross-wrapping illustrated with standard ASCII charachters:

The hackle and dubbing brush wraps look like this (\\\\\\\\\\)
The thread wraps look like this (///////)
Resulting in "cross-wrapping" that looks like this (XXXXXXX)

Here is the thing, Ray - cross-wrapping allows for slants to both be top left to bottom right, or both be top right to bottom left. As long as the respective slants are different. Typically body material wraps tend to be almost vertical, while ribbing wraps tend to be around 45 degrees. As such they will be cross-wrapped, even when both materials are wrapped in the same left-right direction, and both away from the tier.

The ascii representation in the example is too rigid, and potentially confusing

Cheers,
Hans W

Understood. I was just trying to come up with a visual short-hand to describe the crossing.

Like you say, there are many alternates:

(|||||||) plus (\\\\\\\) = (XXXXXXX)
(|||||||) plus (///////) = (|/|/|/|/|/|/) = (XXXXXXX)
(///////) plus (\\\\\\\) = (\|\|\|\|\|\|) = (XXXXXXX)
(\\\\\\\) plus (///////) = (XXXXXXX)

As long as the wraps have substantially different wrap angles (pitch), then the end result will be cross-wraps and greater durability.

All part of the fun.

letumgo wrote:Understood. I was just trying to come up with a visual short-hand to describe the crossing.

Like you say, there are many alternates:

(|||||||) plus (\\\\\\\) = (XXXXXXX)
(|||||||) plus (///////) = (|/|/|/|/|/|/) = (XXXXXXX)
(///////) plus (\\\\\\\) = (\|\|\|\|\|\|) = (XXXXXXX)
(\\\\\\\) plus (///////) = (XXXXXXX)

As long as the wraps have substantially different wrap angles (pitch), then the end result will be cross-wraps and greater durability.

Yes Sir

All part of the fun.

Absolutely is Sir

PS I notice you studiously avoid committing to doing a video...

*running&ducking*

I'll leave the videos to the professionals. That's outside my skill set (for now).

letumgo wrote:I'll leave the videos to the professionals. That's outside my skill set (for now).

????

So where does that place me? My video clips are me at the vise, a pretty standard digital still camera which can do video (as pretty much all do these days) recording the tying of the fly, with a few words of (accented) narrative. That is pretty much it.

If I can do it, so can you (and pretty much anyone else). You are out of excuses, m'friend

Seriously, I'd love to see you, and others on this forum, take a stab at it and share the results.

Ray & Hans, Howdy;

Interesting reading ..... to fly engineers striving
for a mutual understanding, whilst approaching
from slightly differing directions ................... , ,

It's fun to read along good chuckle to go with my coffee...

hank

First, back to the fly posted. It's one of the nicest flymphs I've seen and I would expect to be able to do great things with that fly on my line. Just beautiful. Thanks too for the time it takes to put the SBS together. Tag this post as a standard for future posts. Just especially well done.

Thanks for sharing your skills.

w

I have gone back and added photos to the initial post, illustrating the major steps in the tying sequence. Hope this helps.

(sorry Hans - no video planned at this point)

A picture paints a thousand words my friend. Excellent addition and thanks for taking the time to do it.

Videos are good, but there is all that trouble of making sure your fingernails are well clipped and clean, clean shirt, tidy organised tying station and no nipping off screen to find some material you forgot, no swearing allowed (counts me out ), having the kids coming in going "Daaaaad....... " or the better half "Honeyyyyyy........" Yeah, just too much to go wrong.