Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

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Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by ForumGhillie » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:54 pm

I have been tying with some hand stripped quills from Polish Quill in several dyed colors that I ordered from Competitive Angler during their sale. I really like the look of the stripped peacock quills dyed, especially the golden olive, olive and ginger colors. After I wrap the quills onto the hook shank I coat the quills with Loon UV finish then finish the fly. I also tried Sally Hansen Hard as Nails which works too, but you have to wait for it to dry versus the Loon UV coating that I just hit with my UV light.

I have been tying both soft hackle and nymph patterns with them. They help give the bodies a really nice segmented look. I decided to put this topic under the Nymph section since I am showing a couple of beadhead nymphs on jig hooks. :shock: (They also make great quill bodies for classic Catskill dry flies.)

Has anyone else tried them?
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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by Boarmountain » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:15 am

They look great 👍
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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by Theroe » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:30 am

John
Yes, I’ve tried them, and they make nice bodies, but I would rather strip and dye my own. One thing about Peacock is that it is not very translucent or durable-ditto for goose and condor.
IMHO, the very best “Quill for body” material is the stripped mallard quill, ala Ted Niemeyer. Duck quills are translucent with two dark edges, and slightly elastic.....very similar to grouse quill. LiBelieve me, once you try it, you will use nothing else.
Here’s a few pictures of some I made over the weekend, what do you think?

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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by tie2fish » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:35 am

Dana ~ Please describe (and maybe illustrate with a photo or two?) how you go about processing a mallard quill. Specifically, where does it come from on the bird and how do you "strip" it?

John ~ Your flies look really good to me. Nice tying.
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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by ForumGhillie » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:56 am

Dana, I have only heard once of using mallard quills, not dyed. I have dyed mallard quills for tying classic winged wet flies. The barbs don't seem long enough. Plus, I don't dye materials.. too messy and no time. :)

If I remember right, Eric had told me Niemeyer tied very realisitic patterns and did use mallard duck primary feathers for the abdomens, no synthetics at all. That was quite a while ago so I could be wrong.

I think Niemeyer also used some material as an under body and then wrapped the quill over the top leaving a little space between each quill wrap to give the effect of gills. I tried it with a CDC under body and a dyed peacock quill ribbed over the top of the CDC. My worry is how durable the quill will be when not coated with something.

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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by Theroe » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:22 am

The pieces I use are the center stems: the rachis. Sometimes I color them with Pantone pens, but more often than not I let the color of the silk underneath shine through.

It’s definitely a job to separate the hardcover written from the rest of the feather, But it’s well worth it. Someone on eBay is selling pre-stripped quills from Ted Niemeyer’s estate - I bought some, and they are beautiful.
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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by tie2fish » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:55 am

Theroe wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:22 am
The pieces I use are the center stems: the rachis. Sometimes I color them with Pantone pens, but more often than not I let the color of the silk underneath shine through.

It’s definitely a job to separate the hardcover written from the rest of the feather, But it’s well worth it. Someone on eBay is selling pre-stripped quills from Ted Niemeyer’s estate - I bought some, and they are beautiful.
Please be more specific, Dana ... I really want to know how to do this. The rachis from what feather? Do you cut the barbs from the stem or use some other method?
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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by ForumGhillie » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:43 am

Theroe wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:22 am
The pieces I use are the center stems: the rachis. Sometimes I color them with Pantone pens, but more often than not I let the color of the silk underneath shine through.

It’s definitely a job to separate the hardcover written from the rest of the feather, But it’s well worth it. Someone on eBay is selling pre-stripped quills from Ted Niemeyer’s estate - I bought some, and they are beautiful.
Dana,

So you are stripping the shaft?

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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by ronr » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:02 am

the Polish quills work great.. been using them on jig flies, and small mayfly nymphs for a couple years. I also will strip my own quills, by using an eraser to remove the barbules(sorry not feather tech savvy) and have also used pens to color the natural peacock. I have found the dyed peacock feathers don't work as well as the naturals. Apparently the dying process weakens the quill and when they are stripped, they are more fragile..... but the Polish brand uses a dying process that doesn't seem to weaken the quill...
I also use a UV resin to coat the bodies. These nymphs hold up very well and I like the segmented look and slim profiles of the bodies...

Here's one that works for me....
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Re: Stripped Peacock Quill Bodies

Post by Theroe » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:28 pm

WiFlyfisher wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:43 am
Theroe wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:22 am
The pieces I use are the center stems: the rachis. Sometimes I color them with Pantone pens, but more often than not I let the color of the silk underneath shine through.

It’s definitely a job to separate the hardcover written from the rest of the feather, But it’s well worth it. Someone on eBay is selling pre-stripped quills from Ted Niemeyer’s estate - I bought some, and they are beautiful.
Dana,

So you are stripping the shaft?

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John
Yes
BTW - those are GREAT looking flies you tied with the polish quills - deadly!
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