William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

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Re: William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

Post by Mike62 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:48 am

SenecaLaker wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:52 am
Hi Mike, I had a similar problem when I started . I was using some bow string wax. This wax wasn't nearly as soft and sticky as the toilet ring but also never seemed to harden up like William and the others on the board show. I was fortunate enough to come across a vendor who was selling cakes of dubbing waxes at one of the fly shows. I believe the formulation was 721. I waxed the string as suggested and spun a few bodies and stored them on a card overnight. I was amazed the next day when they nearly stood out straight with very little support. Huge difference!!

Dave
I did the same thing yesterday! I've got bowstring wax lying all over the place, so I tried it. Same result you appeared to get; but it was still better than the toilet ring wax. I took Bazzer's advice and ordered some Bailey's tying wax last night. I love this place...
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Re: William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

Post by Old Hat » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:39 am

You will be on a roll in no time Mike. The wax is the key here. Also, just for future reference, the process doesn't work near as well with any threads other than silk. You will get some of the same issues. It is a sum of all parts.
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Re: William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

Post by Theroe » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:02 am

Mike62 wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:27 pm
Turns out making the blocks is the easy part.

Question: After I get the body spun up and slip it onto a card like William does, I still have an issue with the body wanting to unravel while on the card. (try a thicker card perhaps?)

Problem #2. The thread is waxed thoroughly, twisted up, and let sit to 'cure' per Mr. Leisenring's advice but it doesn't want to behave when I remove it from the card. What am I missing here? How do you folks keep the spun body from unraveling as you're trying to tie it to the hook shank?

After watching the video of William twisting his thread I can honestly say that I'm definitely not over twisting it.

Old dogs want to learn new tricks, it's just that some of us dogs are a little slower than others. Any advice is appreciated.
Mike
Step one: for the ones you have spun on cards already, put them in the freezer for 10 minutes prior to using them and it will hold them stiff
Step two: Buy some of Bill Bailey‘s wax - he really makes a nice product.
Dana
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Re: William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

Post by Mike62 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:05 pm

Old Hat wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:39 am
You will be on a roll in no time Mike. The wax is the key here. Also, just for future reference, the process doesn't work near as well with any threads other than silk. You will get some of the same issues. It is a sum of all parts.
I've been practicing with regular thread; my adventures into grand experimental tying do not include using Pearsalls as cannon fodder! But, if it'll make a difference, I do have a bazillion spools of old silks left over from my grandmothers day. Richardson's and half a dozen other brands. They're a slightly larger diameter than the Pearsalls and I won't feel the pangs of guilt when I screw one up.
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Re: William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

Post by Mike62 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:07 pm

Theroe wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:02 am
Mike62 wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:27 pm
Turns out making the blocks is the easy part.

Question: After I get the body spun up and slip it onto a card like William does, I still have an issue with the body wanting to unravel while on the card. (try a thicker card perhaps?)

Problem #2. The thread is waxed thoroughly, twisted up, and let sit to 'cure' per Mr. Leisenring's advice but it doesn't want to behave when I remove it from the card. What am I missing here? How do you folks keep the spun body from unraveling as you're trying to tie it to the hook shank?

After watching the video of William twisting his thread I can honestly say that I'm definitely not over twisting it.

Old dogs want to learn new tricks, it's just that some of us dogs are a little slower than others. Any advice is appreciated.
Mike
Step one: for the ones you have spun on cards already, put them in the freezer for 10 minutes prior to using them and it will hold them stiff
Step two: Buy some of Bill Bailey‘s wax - he really makes a nice product.
Dana
Yup! I ordered some Bailey's wax yesterday. Thank you for the tip about the freezer, I never would have thought of that.

...I ever mention I love this place? Thanks, guys.
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Re: William Anderson Demonstrating Clark Dubbing Block Technique

Post by Theroe » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:27 am

Mike62 wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:07 pm
Theroe wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:02 am
Mike62 wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:27 pm
Turns out making the blocks is the easy part.

Question: After I get the body spun up and slip it onto a card like William does, I still have an issue with the body wanting to unravel while on the card. (try a thicker card perhaps?)

Problem #2. The thread is waxed thoroughly, twisted up, and let sit to 'cure' per Mr. Leisenring's advice but it doesn't want to behave when I remove it from the card. What am I missing here? How do you folks keep the spun body from unraveling as you're trying to tie it to the hook shank?

After watching the video of William twisting his thread I can honestly say that I'm definitely not over twisting it.

Old dogs want to learn new tricks, it's just that some of us dogs are a little slower than others. Any advice is appreciated.
Mike
Step one: for the ones you have spun on cards already, put them in the freezer for 10 minutes prior to using them and it will hold them stiff
Step two: Buy some of Bill Bailey‘s wax - he really makes a nice product.
Dana
Yup! I ordered some Bailey's wax yesterday. Thank you for the tip about the freezer, I never would have thought of that.

...I ever mention I love this place? Thanks, guys.
Mike.......I had the same problem :o .......it really is a "trick" to get just the right mix, which is one of the reasons Bills wax is so good("both" Bills; Bailey and Shuck - one you can buy, the other is a "treasured trade procurement") . Personally, I do not mind if they unwind a bit: I re-twist as I wind to achieve a uniform silhouette. Once the flymph body is wet, the thread wraps REALLY show through the dubbing.
Dana
Soft and wet - the only way....
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