Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

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Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by zen leecher » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:28 pm

I've been checking the fly pattern books to get an idea what fur/thread combos to mix up and what patterns they might be applicable to. You know that's awful hard to find.

Another thing what with the latest dubbed body videos I see a reference to the blended wax Bill makes. You know I can't find the formula anywhere on this board. I was interested in his blend as it seems to be a tad softer than the ones I use. I have a 721 wax and a cobblers wax. Both seem a tad hard as I get a bunch of "stuttering" as I pull the thread thru the wax.

Could some of the more knowledgeable "dubbers" offer up some thread/fur combos and what patterns they work for. Call out the thread by the Pearsall's color, if applicable, or other color as appropriate.

I couldn't find any info on either topics in the reference section.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by zen leecher » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:24 pm

Wax is a 722 winter wax. I thought the numbers needed to total up to 10 to show the percentage of ingredients.

I've got 5 skimpy primrose and muskrat bodies. Now to see what patterns are applicable.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by crazy4oldcars » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:49 pm

Zen, the numbers are parts. 7 parts this, 2 parts that and 2 parts the other.
Jeff (I think it was Jeff, lol) started a thread where he was making wax last year (?) and there was a lot of discussion about ingredients and proportions and the merits of each proportion. If I can find it in time, I will add the link to it.

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Correction, it was Cassady that was making the wax.
http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... wax#p59210 was the thread.

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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by DOUGSDEN » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:03 pm

Fellows,
Bill's 7-2-2 wax is terrific! I keep a wedge of it at the base of my pedistal vise and a smaller wedge on the Clark dubbing block that I have. I find myself using it constantly at many stations and phases of tying a pattern. I have to admit it does flow better when the temp. is warmer. This is not a big deal however. Simply hold your thumb or finger against it for a few seconds and it warms up nicely and does its intended duties. The stuff is quite useful and has changed my way of tying in alot of respects.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by zen leecher » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:11 pm

The 722 wax hasn't been too hard this week. Our temps have run around 100 degrees.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by chase creek » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:22 am

I'll add my $.02 worth on keeping wax pliable.
I put a pea-sized ball of wax between my index finger and thumb (in the "webby" part). The warmth from my skin keeps it about right, and it won't fall out easily.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by William Anderson » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:21 am

Bill, I don't mind at all the combination of discussing wax properties along with the dubbings and body materials. It makes for a more integrated discussion and I'm really glad you brought it up. I wish I had taken the time to respond sooner. Better later than never. I have blended mostly natural materials, a few with either antron or wool blends and tried literally dozens of combinations (literally a couple hundred loaded cards) to achieve different body effects, some for the purposes of understanding the materials and results better and some for the specific purpose of creating hatch specific bodies that create an effect that imitates the action, overall texture and color/undercolor results.

One of the reasons for pursuing this tying construction is I'll admit a way of finding a close connection to the history and association with the men who originated the techniques. Aside from the highly effective results fishing the flies, there is something in the way of understanding the men by following their steps. Spinning the bodies, and blending the dubbings has become a very rewarding pursuit in itself. (yada yada) This post could get long, feel free to skip through to the highlights. :D

I'll post several here. I wish I had a better scanner or camera to get more refined images, but this is what I have. For these cards I have corresponding bodies, but not necessarily photographed each one. And there are dozens of body combinations yet to be scanned. It's all on a long list of things to do. I'll start with a few.


Hare's mask on primrose, a classic blend of mixed textures taken from the pole, ear and touch of cheek to achieve the best texture. It's my attempt to match the Leisenring Spider described by Pete Hidy. More importantly it's the blend that I use most for caddis imitations. 4-5 different shades of hare can be achieved from a single mask to gain the desired effect. this one falls somewhere in the middle.

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Hare's Cheek on #3 Primrose. This is a spiky version for tan caddis or a generally attractive lighter flymph.

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Hare's Masks 5 (3 dyed masks and 2 tones from a natural mast) blended for a spectral body. For the past 6-7 years this was the blend I used on my most successful flymphs, in a dropped loop before I started spinning so many on the block.

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This is the Hare's Mask 5 on Claret on the block. This body with a grouse or woodcock hackle has been one of the most reliable flies I've carried.
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Old Blue Dun muskrat on #3 Primrose. Such a classic for Olives.

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Iron Blue Nymph, Simply mole on claret. I wish the scan showed the materials more clearly, this seems a misrepresentation of the body, but it's a decent visual.

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Tan mole and natural mole on #3 Primrose. Most of my blends combine differing dubbings with shades of hairs that contrast or staple lengths that create longer or shorter "halos" or texture blends. This example simple achieves a consistently soft and lighter multi-use body with a denser body construction.

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Mole Blend on #3 Primrose of several dyed mole skins, again a spectral result for versatile flymphs.

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This is where the more interesting bodies begin. Blends of .......(I have to pick this up in a few minutes...emergency in the kitchen. I love summer!)

Mole/Beaver 50/50. A longer staple to the beaver, a bit more transparency and a slightly lighter shade. It's a very subtle difference from the Old Blue Dun with Muskrat, but it's one of my favorites to use for spinning bodies and tying.

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Some of these scans are old and I've come a long way in refining my body construction (density, texture, taper) especially for specific imitations. I've been obsessed with several shades of red fox dubbings, alone or more often blended with other tones and textures. I'll have to scan many of the bodies that I have carded and get some shots of the flies that result.

Largely, I've been using #2 Straw as the silk, or I've taken to white as well for many of the brighter colored (yellows and greens) blends. The effect is really nice when soaked. The results on the stream have been very rewarding. I'll try to follow up on this, if you want, to try to offer some of the different blends. This post is sorely incomplete.

As a side note, I mentioned elsewhere that in Pete Hidy's tying chest, the waxes he was using personally were a three part blend, a block of bees wax and a cobbler's wax. This is his personal tin.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by William Anderson » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:59 am

zen leecher wrote:Wax is a 722 winter wax. I thought the numbers needed to total up to 10 to show the percentage of ingredients.

I've got 5 skimpy primrose and muskrat bodies. Now to see what patterns are applicable.
The muskrat and primrose is the classic Old Blue Dun combination. When spun sparse, it's a great BWO (any number of other similar mayfly imitations.) For the #20 or #18 BWO, it's possible to do with a spun body, but I just wax the silk off the hook and touch dub with light mole. For the larger BWO species, the muskrat and primrose make an very effective imitation. $.02.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by letumgo » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:40 am

Bumping an old post, which discusses Shuck wax.
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Re: Shuck wax and pre-dubbed bodies

Post by zen leecher » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:02 am

This thread should be updated to discuss how to re-vitalize 722 wax if the user didn't zip the little bag shut two years ago. It is slow to soften up via hand warmth.
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