Birdnest from Doug

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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by letumgo » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:41 am

It’s flies like this, that keep me interested in fishing wet flies. Such a versatile pattern.

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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:19 am

tie2fish wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:26 am
Attached to a birthday card I recently got from fellow member Doug Duvall (along with a couple other deliciously tied flies) was this superb rendition of Cal Bird's "Birdnest" pattern. Initially scorned as being "messy", this caddis pupa imitation has proved to be a killer pattern on trout waters around the world. I have seen the real deal as tied by Bird in John Shaner's collection, and Doug's version certainly does it justice.

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Is this close to the original pattern? Someone have the true original dressing for the pattern?

I looked on the Internet and this seems to have morphed into millions of variations for Cal Bird's Birdnest pattern, including a beadhead pattern that doesn't even come close to the original pattern.
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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by Old Hat » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:16 am

John, I think this link will take you to patterns tied by Cal Bird.

The true original dressing from what I have gathered over a lot of researching and talking with tiers at the shows is Australian opossum 50%, hare's mask 40% and natural baby seal 10%. Cal also seemed to like teal for the tail and wing because of the distinct barring. Which he dyed to a reddish brown color. I have heard from a couple sources that he used Maple Sugar RIT dye but his could be people regurgitating the same source.
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This is the Bird's Nest I photographed at John Shaner's place when he graciously invited us over for an afternoon of drooling.
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These are supposedly Cal Bird originals photographed from a few collections.
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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by Bazzer69 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:18 pm

I’ve seen some orginal Byrd’s Nests as tied by him and I recon the Fly Shops pattern as supplied by Umpqua is just about identical. They used Paxton’s Buggy Nymph as dubbing and they are not tied with lots of it as shown at the beginning of this thread. I’ve used them for twenty odd years and they still work for me. I now tie my own because I don’t like the cheap hooks the commercial tiers use. There’s nothing more frustrating then having a slow day and to lose a nice fish because of a broken hook, believe me I know. But remember it’s not the fly but where you put it.
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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:16 pm

Thanks Carl!

From the little I have read,Cal tied his Birdnest pattern to imitate a caddisfly on the Truckee River. If that is true then the hook and pattern would have been pretty small. A lot of the fly patterns I see called "Birdnest" are tied on hooks that appear to be lot larger. Am I wrong?
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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by Bazzer69 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:25 pm

John, I guided the Truckee whilst mr Byrd was around. I used 14’s and 16’s. Back then the the Truckee fly shop sold his flies much the same as the more lightly dressed Fly Shop Pattern. But I don’t think how heavily it’s dressed matters much at all.
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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:34 pm

Bazzer69 wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:25 pm
John, I guided the Truckee whilst mr Byrd was around. I used 14’s and 16’s. Back then the the Truckee fly shop sold his flies much the same as the more lightly dressed Fly Shop Pattern. But I don’t think how heavily it’s dressed matters much at all.
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Barry,

Great feedback, thank you.

It is just difficult as I look across the web to really understnad what Cal designed the Birdnest fly for. There are so many variations, it is crazy. I always like to know, if possible, what the originator of a pattern created the fly pattern to imitate.

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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by Bazzer69 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:01 pm

ForumGhillie wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:34 pm
Bazzer69 wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:25 pm
John, I guided the Truckee whilst mr Byrd was around. I used 14’s and 16’s. Back then the the Truckee fly shop sold his flies much the same as the more lightly dressed Fly Shop Pattern. But I don’t think how heavily it’s dressed matters much at all.
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Barry,

Great feedback, thank you.

It is just difficult as I look across the web to really understnad what Cal designed the Birdnest fly for. There are so many variations, it is crazy. I always like to know, if possible, what the originator of a pattern created the fly pattern to imitate.

Thanks again!
John, I forget to mention there are plenty of large Caddis flies on the Truckee River. I never spoke with Carl Byrd but I think Andy Burk might have. You’ve got my interest on this one so when I can get hold of Andy I’ll see what he’s has to say
But indeed it seems to be just as popular as the humble PT.
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Re: Spectral Dubbing

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That turned out nice. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Re: Birdnest from Doug

Post by Old Hat » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:28 am

First off, apologies to Doug. This thread has gone significantly off course from his beautifully tied Bird's Nest. But, it only goes to show his tying can be inspiring to others.

Just for fun. Kind of. Here is the shrimp version. Haha. Threw on some PB feelers, mono eyes and did a custom dubbing of 50% Aussie opossum, 40% hare mask dyed orange and 10% natural seal. The hackle is mallard dyed a pale pink with beet juice (another gift from our long lost friend Jeff).
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