Folded quill winged wet flies

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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by Boarmountain » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:24 am

That will work just as well as a matched slip wing. Good looking fly!
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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by tie2fish » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:59 am

Can't imagine those not working; great tying for someone that old ;) .
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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by Mike62 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:34 am

I've been folding my wings forever because the whole 'matching slip' thing has always escaped me. All these years of practice and I still can't match what you apparently just sat down and pulled off at a single setting. Those flies are sublime, seriously. I made myself feel like a second class tier for years because I've had to make concessions to time honored methods that are simply above my pay grade. Folding my wings was one such concession.

...I don't feel so bad anymore. Thank you.
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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by Old Hat » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:30 am

Those turned out excellent! I love the looks of the whole pattern.

The only time I do a matched slip is with feathers that are a little more structured or (stiff). Any of the softer feathers used for wing I much prefer folding. On the smaller flies, folding is the way to go. Many of the older and smaller patterns that were winged had their wings made by folding twice and then split which is how I do all the wings on small flies especially the ones that use soft fibers like starling. You see this more on traditional spiders where the fly retains a more simplistic and sparse appearance.

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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by upstatetrout » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:34 am

Try it with barred wood duck or teal or bronzed mallard.



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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by upstatetrout » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:02 pm

John try using a wider slip and folding twice. Ive even seen it done folding 3 times on a large fly.

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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by Theroe » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:01 am

John
Glad to hear of your success with the folded wing. For me, it sounds odd that so many haven’t used nor heard of the folded wing: this method is a staple of eastern Pennsylvania tyers. Actually, this is the first winging method Ivan taught me. It works excellent with the “forward and split technique as well.

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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by upstatetrout » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:28 am

Thank you very much for the kind words John. It was great fun to be out west and tying at campfire lodge this past summer. On u tube look up Dave Brandt tying a Catskill style wing. His method is very good .Also there is wood duck and there is wood duck. We choose as per the pattern i.e. dark for a march brown and light as for a cahill. I hear that Narco now has the largest collection of wood duck in the free world so perhaps he should chime in.

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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by tie2fish » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:47 am

Here's a good demo on split upright wood duck wings ..

https://vimeo.com/120367400
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Re: Folded quill winged wet flies

Post by upstatetrout » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:10 am

I think the best Catskill style tiers tiers are Mike Valla,Dave Brandt,Mary Dette and Ed Van Put.

The very best ever was Walt Dette.
Rube Cross and the Darbees are right up there to.
Now that I am thinking about it David Stentrom and Niklas Dahlin from Europe are pretty good to. Oh hell there are a lot of people who are good at it.

Fly tying in my opinion does not qualify as art. An art form does not justify copying but fly tying is all about that i.e. patterns. It is a fine hobby and at best a craft. Oh well sorry for the rant back to reading the feather thief a fine read but nothing but rubbish.


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