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Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:37 am
by jcwillow777
I realize this is not flymph related, and I apologize if this should not be asked on this forum.

I am looking for a good substitute for Chadwick's 477 yarn. I have done some searching and thought I found a good substitute, Berroco UAF1214, only to find out that it is also no longer made. I have found a Semperfli 477 substitute, but have read mixed reviews.

Is there a better viable substitute?

Thanks for your help.

Greg

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:51 am
by joaniebo
There’s some of the Berroco and Shetland Spindrift #290 Oyster wool on eBay every now and then. Personally, I use the #290 Oyster wool with red copper wine and tie it the way Oliver Edwards does in his video, which, by the way, follows exactly as described in Frank Sawyer’s book.

Bob

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:21 pm
by letumgo
Greg,

Please send me a PM with your mailing address. I will send you several yards of an excellent Chadwick's sub. ;)

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:30 pm
by jcwillow777
Thank you for the quick replies and help guys, I really appreciate it!

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:35 pm
by letumgo
Greg - I believe the yarn I have is the Berroco stuff. I will check when I get home. After reading reviews of this yarn a few year back, I bought a whole skein of the stuff. A lifetime supply of killer bug yarn, for sure...

I "bumped" a couple old threads on this forum, which had prior discussion of the Chadwicks 477 sub. I am still looking for one that William Anderson did, giving extensive comparisons of different yarns.

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:40 pm
by jcwillow777
Thanks again Ray!

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:42 pm
by Bazzer69
The Oyster is a very good match. The Semperfi is not. I have some genuine 477 if you would like a sample please send me you contact info via a pm. I’ll include some Oyster as well.
Barry

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:06 pm
by joaniebo
Barry

I agree with you. If a Killer Bug nymph is tied with a red wire underbody and the Oyster 290 wool, the color change when wet is immediately noticeable, even if the Spindrift yarn is used full "strength" (not separated).

Oliver Edwards' video / CD where he ties Frank Sawyer's Killer Bug (and Pheasant Tail nymph ) is the exact way as stated in Sawyer's "Nymph and The Trout" and is the way I try to duplicate when tying a Killer Bug. Cheers

Bob

PS - The Tup's dubbing is being mailed today. Enjoy.

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:53 pm
by jcwillow777
joaniebo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:06 pm
Barry

I agree with you. If a Killer Bug nymph is tied with a red wire underbody and the Oyster 290 wool, the color change when wet is immediately noticeable, even if the Spindrift yarn is used full "strength" (not separated).

Oliver Edwards' video / CD where he ties Frank Sawyer's Killer Bug (and Pheasant Tail nymph ) is the exact way as stated in Sawyer's "Nymph and The Trout" and is the way I try to duplicate when tying a Killer Bug. Cheers

Bob

PS - The Tup's dubbing is being mailed today. Enjoy.
I have one of Oliver Edward's DVDs. It in the Essential Skills series, "Czech Nymphing, Upstream Nymphing and North Country Spiders." Is that the DVD? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't watched it since I bought it. But now that I've closed my cabin down for the winter I will have some time.

Thanks again to everyone for your help! This forum rocks!

PS - I recently ordered Frank Sawyer's book, "Nymph and the Trout." Should be here early next week.

Re: Chadwick's 477 Substitute?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:07 pm
by joaniebo
Here’s the link