Sunshine and the Dry Fly

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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by ForumGhillie » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:23 am

"for transparent materials, light reflected at the first surface is responsible for the perception of gloss, while light transmitted straight through the material gives the color. Translucent materials have both opaque and transparent characteristics. Some incident light reflects off the first surface as gloss, while some enters the material and undergoes multiple scattering and light trapping within the material, resulting in a diffuse pattern of reflectance. In a second interaction, light is scattered and transmitted through the sample, emerging on the other side in a diffuse pattern. As a result, color can be seen in both diffuse reflectance and transmittance, depending on how the sample is viewed."

IMHO, almost all the materials we use to tie flies are not trully translucent materials. Remember too, we usually inspect our fly patterns from above the water versus in the water like the trout. We try to create the illusion of transparency and lifeforms in our patterns like flymphs.
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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by narcodog » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:16 am

upstatetrout wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:26 am
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In my own copy a previous owner has posted a clipping dealing with Dunne's hackles and Pearsalls tying threads.It is interesting as Dunne used Cellulite (machine made thread) coated with a special oil over hook Shanks painted with white enamel for his bodies. I have seen spools of this thread and it is indeed different. I surmise without having seen any of his actual flies that the Pearsalls was for general tying of the fly and the cellulite one color or mixed was used for the body. His mathematical formulas for fly tying never appealed to me but his writings on translucency to try and imitate life in the dry fly have.

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Thanks Tom. Is there any reference where the clipping came from?
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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by upstatetrout » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am

Bob as you can see the article lists the codes for hackle and silks for his listed patterns in his book. There is a lengthy post in classic fly tying .com looking for this code breaker. The post is quite interesting and is called J.W. Dunne's material querry. The article is of British origin.By picking it partially up it is glued on the top I can see partial articles about the Lancashire Fly Fishing Association. The Welsh Dee and Clwyd rivers. Perhaps the Fishing Gazzette?


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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by upstatetrout » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:18 pm

There is a picture on Robert Smith's soft Hackle and spider page by Davy Wotton of the cellulite floss and large Pearsalls machine silk. Also some of Dunne's hackles. All the clues to deciphering the formulas to Dunne's flies are here and in his book but I think we need Bob to do it. Bob you need a project! you have been picking on John (his cheesiness )unmercifully lately but ,he would probably help you solve this 70 year old mystery.

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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by ForumGhillie » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:43 pm

upstatetrout wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:18 pm
There is a picture on Robert Smith's soft Hackle and spider page by Davy Wotton of the cellulite floss and large Pearsalls machine silk. Also some of Dunne's hackles. All the clues to deciphering the formulas to Dunne's flies are here and in his book but I think we need Bob to do it. Bob you need a project! you have been picking on John (his cheesiness )unmercifully lately but ,he would probably help you solve this 70 year old mystery.

Tom :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Tom, I agree with you. Narco-doggie needs a new hobby so he quits picking on me. After all the cheese curds I gave him last year you think he would be appreciative.

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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by upstatetrout » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:51 pm

Well John on behalf of Narco and myself we thank you for your social security payments.

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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by ForumGhillie » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:28 pm

upstatetrout wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:51 pm
Well John on behalf of Narco and myself we thank you for your social security payments.

Tom :cry: ;) ;)
Tom,

I am delighted to subsidize your SS payments. Especially since I have been paying the full 15% per year for the past 21 years. I would hope that means I get to use your bamboo fly rods some time. ;)

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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by upstatetrout » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:26 pm

If you are good John then yes you may!
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Re: Sunshine and the Dry Fly

Post by Greenwell » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:01 pm

J.W. Dunne was quite the inventor/thinker. He designed early aircraft and then went on to publish books about dream theory and one called An Experiment with Time that even Einstein had trouble understanding, or so the story goes.
Dunne's flies were sold by various companies such as Hardy, as were the packaged and coded materials to tie them. I've seen envelopes of the special hackles and they were pretty poor quality, at least the ones I inspected. The Cellulite floss is miserable to work with and frays easily. Trout teeth quickly render a fly tied with it a fuzzy mess, which is one of the reasons his flies lost popularity. I have spools of the stuff somewhere. Cellulite floss will also melt when touched with acetone and was used to make hard bodied nymphs like the ones Ed Hewitt advocated. E. Hille sold both the floss and the "special" solvent. (You could buy a quart of over the counter acetone for the same price as a tiny bottle of the "solvent!") If I remember correctly they called it "Hard Shell" floss. I played around with it many years ago but found it had no real advantages and I quickly lost interest. "Sunshine" oil is simply liquid Mucilin fly floatant, which is mineral oil and paraffin.
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