Dating Mills Flies

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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by letumgo » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:27 am

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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by Greenwell » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:54 pm

The very last Leonard catalog in which I can find Snelled Wet Flies listed is in 1966. By that time the price had risen to $4.20 per dozen, 60 cents more than the price for a dozen eyed wets. The 1967 catalog shows Snelled Wet Flies in the same illustration that was used the year before but has neither a description nor a price for them.
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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by bearbutt » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:36 pm

So--

I opened a couple of the packages of Mills flies to pull a few samples out to bring North for the the ForumGhillie to play with--and the Gordons stopped me in my tracks. The hooks are small (marked 15, but closer to our modern 18 or 20)--and a strange luminescent purple. I couldn't quite get a good image with my iPhone, I will try again--but here's a quick look:

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Does anyone have an idea what is up here? As Shaner suggested, the snells are nylon. But the hooks? I have no idea.

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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by tie2fish » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:37 pm

I believe it is/was possible to produce a japanned metal surface with a purple sheen to it. Perhaps someone was just experimenting?
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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by Greenwell » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:13 pm

The hooks these flies are on are blued rather than lacquered as are modern hooks. Many older trout hooks show this blued finish which is similar to, but not the same as, the bluing used on firearms. The bluing finish wasn't as resistant to rust as is a lacquer finish but it persisted well into the 20th century. The flies in Aldam's book (1876) show a very fine blue finish to their hooks.

A Japan finish, which was used on salmon and larger trout hooks, is a black lacquer finish. You will also see Japanning on old fly and other metal boxes, as well as other various 19th century sheet metal products.
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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by bearbutt » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:19 pm

As usual, John is right: the hooks are indeed blued.

It seems that Mustad was selling blued hooks into the 1970s--here are some Cristal 275 hooks, size 11, made for the French market--they are very fine wire, 2x fine I think:

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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by Theroe » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:56 am

bearbutt wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:19 pm
As usual, John is right: the hooks are indeed blued.

It seems that Mustad was selling blued hooks into the 1970s--here are some Cristal 275 hooks, size 11, made for the French market--they are very fine wire, 2x fine I think:

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Very nice find, Joe !!
Where about did you find them?
Soft and wet - the only way....
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Re: Dating Mills Flies

Post by bearbutt » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:40 pm

Theroe wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:56 am

Very nice find, Joe !!
Where about did you find them?
Kenhooks in Sweden--but it was many years ago. You might email them to see if they have any left? As usual, I didn't buy enough--boo-hoo.

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