Wingless Wets | Soft Hackles | Flymphs

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Re: Wingless Wets | Soft Hackles | Flymphs

Post by Theroe » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:25 pm

Johnno wrote:IMHO if it’s got a bead then it ain’t a soft hackle - whatever description that may be.....
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Re: Wingless Wets | Soft Hackles | Flymphs

Post by WiFlyfisher » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:36 pm

It is interesting to look at very old FlymphForum posts about this same topic:

From 2009 "What is a Flymph"... http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... gless#p959

From 2009 "Wing or No Wing"... http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... less#p7289

From 2010 "Suggestions"... http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=wingless

From 2010 "Leisenring"...
a quote from Mark L " In order to make a swift water wet fly work stiffer hackles were, and are still, appropriate. This why I do not particularly like the term "soft-hackle" but like the term "wingless wet" much more."
http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=wingless
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Re: Wingless Wets | Soft Hackles | Flymphs

Post by Old Hat » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:07 am

tie2fish wrote: Here's where I get picky: "Flymph" for me is a narrow category that includes only flies tied in the manner of Jim Leisenring and Pete Hidy. This requires the same body shape, the proper color of silk thread, the (usually) fur body, multiple wraps of longish soft hackle wound through the thorax area, and a cone shaped head of thread wraps. Preferably, the body would be spun ahead of the actual tying process between strands of silk thread, either on one's pants leg or on a spinning block; under duress I would concede having the fur spun in a split silk tying thread attached to the hook. A body, fur or not, twist dubbed doth not a flymph make for me.
All in friendship, I have to respectfully and strongly disagree with using this as a definition of flymph. It is a wonderful description of a Pete Hidy style flymph ( and you tie the finest examples of such Bill), but I don't know anywhere this specific of a definition is supported in literature. That's like saying you are not really tying any pattern correctly unless you tie it exactly (in material, shape, color and style) as the originator. How boring our craft would be it this was the case! I think such narrow parameters goes against what Leisenring and Hidy were trying to accomplish in their mimicry of a variety of insects.
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Johnno wrote:IMHO if it’s got a bead then it ain’t a soft hackle - whatever description that may be.....
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....although I wouldn't be opposed to calling it a soft-hackled nymph.
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Re: Wingless Wets | Soft Hackles | Flymphs

Post by WiFlyfisher » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:51 am

This is exactly why I started this thread... everything is open to interpretation. Some go by the letter of the law and others do not.


From Open Letter by V.S. Hidy...

http://www.flymph.com/html/cover.html

So I speak here, for the first time, of "mimicry flymphs" that mimic the film of air and the bubble of air that trout often see during the flymphs' metamorphosis into adult winged flies.

http://www.flymph.com/html/456.html

My research and experiments with mimicry flymphs have demonstrated the importance of Big Jim Leisenring's belief in the efficacy of spinning furs and dubbings that are carefully tapered to achieve lifelike bodies for trout flies. Such bodies are the key to creating lifelike flymphs that possess Undercolor, Translucence, Texture, Shape Proportions, Delicacy, Vitality and now, Mimicry.

http://www.flymph.com/html/78pics.html

The beauty and value of the spun body must be seen and used in your fishing to be truly appreciated. In my opinion this will become a basic feature of all flymphs (and some dry flies) tied by amateur fly dressers in the future.

Obviously, Old Hat interprets it differently than tie2fish.
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