Team of flies but no droppers.

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Theroe
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Theroe » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:17 pm

hmm - i never get tangles, and I am NOT a particularly great caster. I do believe the custom leader works wonders, at least in my case!!
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Bazzer69 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:17 pm

Theroe wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:17 pm
hmm - i never get tangles, and I am NOT a particularly great caster. I do believe the custom leader works wonders, at least in my case!!
The action of the rod has a lot to do with casting a team of flies as is the length. A ideal rod is a nice slow action 10ft or longer. Not being rude to anyone but most casters couldn’t cast a tight loop if they tried. Short dropper length will also help. I’m a FFF casting instructor and I still get the occasional tangle when casting a “ team” of flies😎. Add a indicator and it turns into “chuck and duck”.
You can’t convince me that there is a formula to construct a leader that’s why there are so many formulas out there, maybe they all work?
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by FliTrap » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:49 pm

letumgo wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:47 am
FliTrap,

This is very good advice and timely feedback. I was fishing a team of flies this past weekend, and did encounter issues with tangles of the three fly set-up. In hind sight, I was fishing a fast action graphite rod. The tighter loops may have been part of the issue. I would have probably been better served by using my bamboo or fiberglass rods (much slower action).

Makes me want to go fishing again, just to put things to the test...
What day should I swing up your way to go fish? LOL Best if we have a witness the others would believe.... know anyone else close by?
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by FliTrap » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:05 pm

Bazzer69 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:17 pm
Theroe wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:17 pm
hmm - i never get tangles, and I am NOT a particularly great caster. I do believe the custom leader works wonders, at least in my case!!
The action of the rod has a lot to do with casting a team of flies as is the length. A ideal rod is a nice slow action 10ft or longer. Not being rude to anyone but most casters couldn’t cast a tight loop if they tried. Short dropper length will also help. I’m a FFF casting instructor and I still get the occasional tangle when casting a “ team” of flies😎. Add a indicator and it turns into “chuck and duck”.
You can’t convince me that there is a formula to construct a leader that’s why there are so many formulas out there, maybe they all work?

Reasons for tangles:
1) Weight of vs type of fly
2) Droppers vs no droppers
3) o-rings vs knots vs type of knots vs "formula"
4) Hand tied leaders vs tapered vs chunk of unscripted mono (from my childhood!)
5) Rod length vs Rod wt vs rod materials vs action
6) Skinny water vs fat water vs still water vs fast water vs water from hatchery outlet!
7) Formal trained caster vs "un-trainable" vs wild-man-fly-chucker vs "thought we were spin fishing?"
8) Tongue held left instead of right vs sun in eyes vs distance from home to river vs "honey-do list" I skipped going to fish......

Did I forget anyone? :ugeek:
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by letumgo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:10 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: ;)
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Bazzer69 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:28 am

FliTtap you got it exactly right 🎣🎣🎣😁😁😁😁😁
Love both fly fishing and fly tying, been doing it for a while
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