Team of flies but no droppers.

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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Greenwell » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:51 pm

Because the tippet rings are kind of small and can be hard to handle, I most often use a Uni-Knot to attach the various parts. Once you thread the leader or tippet through the ring you can just let it hang on the loop that you've formed. It stays out of the way while you form the knot. Also, the tag end points away from the ring and can be trimmed quite close to the knot. Actually, the Uni-Knot is pretty versatile and I use it for attaching fly to tippet also. A double Uni-Knot is an excellent knot for connecting leader sections smaller than 2X. I use a Blood knot for the larger sections. The classic Improved Clinch Knot works just fine as well for attaching rings but I find I have to hold the ring with my forceps to make the knot wraps.
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by ForumGhillie » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:38 am

I am assuming you are using the 2mm tippet rings? Any specific brands?

I have both Hends and Partridge tippet rings, but shy away from them now. I got popped twice out West at the ring with big rainbows and since then I have resisted trying them again. I do use the improve clinch knot which I have a lot of faith in.

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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Theroe » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:58 am

I was taught, and still fish with snelled flies. My leader is as follows:
1. Nail knot 6” of .021 hard Maxima to the flyline. Add a figure eight loop, 5/16” in diameter to the Maxima.
2. Add a tapered leader(loop to loop) to the Maxima - I use Varivas’s 9’ tapered to 2X. Put a 5/16” diameter figure eight loop on the 2X end.
3. Take 7’ of Umpqua 3X mono- putt a 5/16” figure eight knot in each end. Add two “no end” dropper loops, spaced evenly on the 3X.
4. Loop to loop your 3X Umpqua to the 2x Varivas. Your 15’ leader is done.

I snell all of my flies on Damyl Tectan .007, 7.3 pound test. Changing flies is a breeze, as is changing your 7 foot bottom section if it becomes nicked - I carry half a dozen premade spares. This set up has endless possibilities- in fast deep water I put a 6” mono tag on the bottom loop and add split shot. If the shot gets caught on the bottom, it pulls right off. I have caught many fish after becoming snagged, while jiggling my line trying to get loose!

All of my flies are snelled with the Damyl Tectan; 4 1/2 inches in length, with a 5/16” figure 8 loop on the end.

I’ve very rarely get tangled -

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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Theroe » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:09 am

I keep my flies in a books with felt pages-here’s a quick look:
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by letumgo » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:10 pm

Dana,

The next time we get together, I would like to make a video recording of your set-up. I think this would be an excellent tutorial on the loop-to-loop set-up. Wish I had thought of that when we were together earlier this summer.

Do you think we could convince Ivan to do a couple educational tutorials at some point?
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Theroe » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:57 pm

Believe it or not, I think he’s coming around. I’m sure you read the Leisenring /Hidy letters: his “tone” and demeanor share a strikingly similar vein, almost like listening to Big Jim! But he is “mellowing” a bit......I plan on spending the day with him next week, I will broach the subject with him, and let you know how it goes.

There is a deep run on the Lackawaxen called “Miller’s Hole” .......do you know that he will not go into that pool, because “that’s where the Miller’s fish”?

Red Miller and his father fished there in the 1950’s......And he still won’t!

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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by Mike62 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:20 am

letumgo wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:10 pm
Dana,

The next time we get together, I would like to make a video recording of your set-up. I think this would be an excellent tutorial on the loop-to-loop set-up. Wish I had thought of that when we were together earlier this summer.

Do you think we could convince Ivan to do a couple educational tutorials at some point?
I, for one, am all giddy with anticipation of such a tutorial being produced. Seriously, that would be 'don't miss TV'.
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by SenecaLaker » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:51 pm

I would love to see the tutorial as well. I would also love to learn the method of getting my collars to sweep back along the length of the fly as Dana shows in his box . I try to press the hackles rearward and they still point outward somewhat. C'mon Theroe , what's the secret? They look too fishy to me to not try it.
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by FliTrap » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:57 am

One thing only lightly tickled here, in rigging and then fishing multiple flies at a time, is the type rod used along with casting style. I tend to do much better with a slower.... full length action rod to fish several flies as they tend to present a more open casting loop. By being more open in the loop, you will catch your other flies far less often. Bamboo and fiberglass are by nature, easier to use for this. some will shift to a longer rod, thus having the leverage to turn the leader over while still producing a more open loop in their back cast. By the same token, a softer, lighter wt rod will be more effective, in general. The faster, tip action rods tend to through tight loops that will drag your tailing hook into your upper line, with the help of wind, of even your efforts to "slow down your casting" for a more gentle deposit of the fly.
Not saying it can't be done.... just that (myself included) many have less then the best casting skills!
LOL.... all of that said, I tend to still lean towards a 9', Winston 8 wt rod, with mid-flex actions, to beat the wind, and often freezing temps to work the wide waters of the White river System here in Missouri and Arkansas! ---- By contrast, its an Orvis, full flex, 6'-6", 4-wt for those quiet little streams I seek in my travels!

With any rod, if you're catching a lot of knots, tangling and such, try to open your back casting loop a bit (Not to point of collapsing...LOL) and see if that helps! Or even up size rod weight to be able to simply "pick it up and lay it down....". Less loops... less tangles!

Something to thing about, on the other end of the rod!
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Re: Team of flies but no droppers.

Post by letumgo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:47 am

FliTrap,

This is very good advice and timely feedback. I was fishing a team of flies this past weekend, and did encounter issues with tangles of the three fly set-up. In hind sight, I was fishing a fast action graphite rod. The tighter loops may have been part of the issue. I would have probably been better served by using my bamboo or fiberglass rods (much slower action).

Makes me want to go fishing again, just to put things to the test...
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