Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

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Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by ForumGhillie » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:39 am

I have been reading "The Orvis Guide To Prospecting For Trout", by Tom Rosenbauer. One of the comments he makes in the book is he prefers to fish "winged" patterns during mayfly hatches and "wingless" patterns during caddis hatches.

Personally, I have had a lot of success with wingless wet during both mayfly and caddisfly hatches. Although I do tie winged wets I find I do not often use them.

BTW, he does also talk about patterns like Partridge and Orange and Leisenring's flies and techniques.

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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by Trifly » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:48 pm

I am completely opposite of him. Caddis are winged or heavier hackled. Mayflies are wingless or sparsely tied. Just as a rule of thumb, for me.
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Post by letumgo » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:36 pm

Agreed. I tend to dress caddies patterns heavier than mayfly patterns. That being said, I do dress patterns differently, depending on the depth I want them to swim. Slender patterns can quickly cut thru the currents, and will generally fish a little deeper. Bushier patterns have more drag, and tend to sink more slowly and ride closer to the surface.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by NJpatbee » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:18 pm

I have tied and carry a few winged wet flies but I have not fished with them for years. Since the mid-1970's I have had great success with wingless soft hackle flies while never having much success with winged wets. Whether I am fishing a March Brown Soft Hackle or a generic partridge and orange I usually find that sparser is better regardless of what flies (if any) are on the water.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:25 pm

There have been times when I have caught some amazing trout on winged and wingless wet fly patterns. I never had a trout tell which they preferred, nor why. I enjoy using them both at times, even a Royal Coachman with white duck quill wings. My favorite big WI drake pattern is a wingless wet fly. So I carry both at times and let the trout decide.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by NJpatbee » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:02 am

I am sure that my lack of success with winged wets early on was due to user error on my part and I never gained any confidence in them. After being inspired by Sy Nemes’ first book on soft hackle flies I tied some up and used his techniques and had excellent results. I have fished with anglers that were very proficient with winged wets but l just have had so much success with soft hackled wingless wets that I feel no urgency to try the winged versions.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by ForumGhillie » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:43 am

I truly believe in confidence in the fly patterns you choose. When I was 12 one of the first trout I caught was on a Royal Coachman wet fly and I always carry a few. Out West, the Royal Trude has saved many a day when nothing else seemed to entice the big rainbows. Total confidence in the patterns. Also, soft hackles dressed heavily or sparse depending on the situation. There are other patterns I will not tie nor use because I have no confidence in them. Yet, I knows others who do well with them.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by Mike62 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:39 pm

NJpatbee wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:02 am
I am sure that my lack of success with winged wets early on was due to user error on my part and I never gained any confidence in them. After being inspired by Sy Nemes’ first book on soft hackle flies I tied some up and used his techniques and had excellent results. I have fished with anglers that were very proficient with winged wets but l just have had so much success with soft hackled wingless wets that I feel no urgency to try the winged versions.
The light went on for me after reading Nemes as a teenager. Later, I found David Hughes and his 'Wet Flies' and
my enthusiasm for wets just got bigger. Confidence in a soft hackle or other wet fly, for me anyway, is a given.

Dry flies... not so much.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by tie2fish » Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:40 am

Both winged and wingless soft hackle flies will catch fish. If one or the other or both did not, they would have disappeared from the scene long ago. My experience has been that winged patterns tend to work better before and after a hatch, while wingless flies produce better for me while the hatch is in progress. Room for lots of speculation about why.
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Re: Fishing Winged or Wingless Fly Patterns

Post by ForumGhillie » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:28 pm

Bill, I totally agree with your experiences.

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