Custom Leaders - My next adventure

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by joaniebo » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:30 am

Ever since I bought and read Oliver Kite's book "Nymph Fishing in Practice" (quite a few years ago!), I started tying my own leaders. Last week, I put together 5 more leaders for an upcoming trip to Michigan's Au Sable River. Have been using Maxima Ultragreen for many years ... using Oliver Kite's leader formula (or as close as I can get to it) of 20 lbs (54"), 12 lbs (10"), 6lbs (10"), 5lbs (10") & 4 lbs (36").

A couple years ago, I started putting a tippet ring between the last two lengths (the 5 lbs and 4 lbs lengths). This allows me to add a dropper length to the tippet ring and also a new length of 4 lbs mono when the last length gets too short.

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by driftless » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:05 am

Bob, do you use this same setup when you are fishing here in cheese country?

Frankly, I'm thinking of returning to hand-tied leaders, since I'm not happy with the commercial tapered leaders.

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by joaniebo » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:28 am

Paul

Whether I’m fishing in Cheese Country, Michigan or at local pond, I use the Oliver Kite leaders. If I want a lighter leader I go down a little and end up with the last length being 3lbs.

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by driftless » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:49 pm

Thanks, Bob.

I used to tie a leader that used both Maxima Chameleon & regular tippet, but the ultra-green setup sounds like it would be fairly limp, which is good.

I'll give it a try.

Paul
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:47 pm

driftless wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:49 pm
Thanks, Bob.

I used to tie a leader that used both Maxima Chameleon & regular tippet, but the ultra-green setup sounds like it would be fairly limp, which is good.

I'll give it a try.

Paul
Hi Paul,

The Max. Cham. for the butt, because it is stiffer, The Max. UG I use for the remainder of the leader, except the tippet. There are many tippet materials that I feel are better and stronger for the tippet than Max. UG. I quite often hook a lot of biiger trout in the NW corner and I want the stronest tippet material fothe small diameter I can buy,

Side note; I received my Perfectionist quad bamboo fly rod back frm D. Stone. I took it out for a test run and love it!!

My $0.02.

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:48 pm

driftless wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:49 pm
Thanks, Bob.

I used to tie a leader that used both Maxima Chameleon & regular tippet, but the ultra-green setup sounds like it would be fairly limp, which is good.

I'll give it a try.

Paul
Hi Paul,

The Max. Cham. for the butt, because it is stiffer, The Max. UG I use for the remainder of the leader, except the tippet. There are many tippet materials that I feel are better and stronger for the tippet than Max. UG. On occasion hook bigger trout in the NW corner and I want the stronest tippet material for the small diameter I can buy,

Side note; I received my Perfectionist quad bamboo fly rod back frm D. Stone. I took it out for a test run and love it!!

My $0.02.
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by driftless » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:57 pm

John,

What are you using for tippet?

I've used Rio & Orvis super strong, both of which I'm liking less & less. I've heard good things about every brand of tippet there is, though :?
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by letumgo » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:26 pm

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I spent this afternoon tying up a set of the Rob Smith North Country Spider leaders. Here are some photos (roughly) showing the process (It is really difficult to shoot photos of this, since it it such a hands-on process).

Anyway, here are some pics I took along the way.

Tools: Tape measure, stainless rod, nail clippers, scissors
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Magnifying visor:
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Forming and trimming of blood knot:
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After snugging up the blood knot (tag ends should form 90 deg angle to main line and protrude in opposite directions).
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Appearance of blood knot after trimming with nail clippers
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Early in the process, I discovered that the notch in the corner of the leader box became a useful staging area for the leaders. I'd slide the first knot in the butt section into the notch, and it would hold the leaders between steps.
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When measuring the leader sections, I would add two inches (2") to the desired length to compensate for the tag ends that get trimmed off after forming the blood knot.
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Boiling the butt sections for five minutes, to make them more supple:
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Finished Leaders:
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:54 pm

driftless wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:57 pm
John,

What are you using for tippet?

I've used Rio & Orvis super strong, both of which I'm liking less & less. I've heard good things about every brand of tippet there is, though :?
Paul,

I really like Trout Hunter's tippet material and I have used it for years.

Out West in the Fall on the Henry's Fork I use Cortland 5x fluorocarbon to keep the big trout's heads out of the weeds while using small soft hackle fly patterns (size #18), I do not use fluoro when fishing a bamboo fly rod or when fishing larger flies.

Personally, I do not like fluoro, but it is only tippet materials I know that has worked for me with big. powerful fish and weeds. Plus, I do not like to play the trout any longer than I have too.
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by narcodog » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:50 pm

ForumGhillie wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:54 pm
driftless wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:57 pm
John,

What are you using for tippet?

I've used Rio & Orvis super strong, both of which I'm liking less & less. I've heard good things about every brand of tippet there is, though :?
Paul,

I really like Trout Hunter's tippet material and I have used it for years.

Out West in the Fall on the Henry's Fork I use Cortland 5x fluorocarbon to keep the big trout's heads out of the weeds while using small soft hackle fly patterns (size #18), I do not use fluoro when fishing a bamboo fly rod or when fishing larger flies.

Personally, I do not like fluoro, but it is only tippet materials I know that has worked for me with big. powerful fish and weeds. Plus, I do not like to play the trout any longer than I have too.
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