Custom Leaders - My next adventure

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by Roadkill » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:29 pm

letumgo wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:59 am
However, I am still interested in the hand made leaders, as another thing to learn and do myself. One of the best aspects of fly fishing, is the many faceted opportunity to learn. I make my own rods, and flies. Custom leaders are just another element to explore.

Doug - Do you have any leader formulas to share? I'd be interested in soft hackle or bass leaders.
Ray I agree with your sentiment about leader making! The book Drag-Free Drift mentioned above should come with the Leader Calc software as well as many tips in the book(22 pages of designs and formulas from notable flyfishers). I started making knotted tapered leaders in 1978 when I bought Fly Fishing by Tom McNally. What I learned in decades of making leaders also made it simple to add or rebuild tippets when needed on my furled leaders I started making in 2006.

If you want more durability on knots I recommend using one of the UV products like Knot Sense. It is a must have in my saltwater gear. A hooked fish in the salt that instantly goes from Predator to Prey on hookup really can test your knots. :shock: or :D
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by Bazzer69 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:20 am

Further to my previous post I would like to add that I use homemade silk furled leaders. A short tapered leader to the first loop or tippet ring and generally florocarbon for the rest. Certainly, as suggested use Knot Sense to smooth out any knots if you wish. I used to use it but know only for a nail knot between the fly line and butt section. I always carry a tube not only for knots but it’s great for fixing a hole in waders or your jacket ( only a small one of course) providing the sun is out to provide enough UV
Our forefathers used horsehair or gut for leaders and droppers. They had to use different knots and setups to what is generally used today. One of these days I’m going to try to furl some horsehair when I can find some decent stuff. Should fit in with my cane rod, Hardy Reel and a Phoenix silk fly line. Would give me a great feeling of satisfaction.
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by narcodog » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:01 am

Bazzer69 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:20 am
Further to my previous post I would like to add that I use homemade silk furled leaders. A short tapered leader to the first loop or tippet ring and generally florocarbon for the rest. Certainly, as suggested use Knot Sense to smooth out any knots if you wish. I used to use it but know only for a nail knot between the fly line and butt section. I always carry a tube not only for knots but it’s great for fixing a hole in waders or your jacket ( only a small one of course) providing the sun is out to provide enough UV
Our forefathers used horsehair or gut for leaders and droppers. They had to use different knots and setups to what is generally used today. One of these days I’m going to try to furl some horsehair when I can find some decent stuff. Should fit in with my cane rod, Hardy Reel and a Phoenix silk fly line. Would give me a great feeling of satisfaction.
Barry
Tenkara Bum did sell some nice horse hair for leaders and sold the leaders also. The best hair is that from a white stallion, no joke.
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by Ron Eagle Elk » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:12 am

If your looking for quality, white, horse hair for making leader snoods, try shops that sell to violin and cello players. Their bows use horsehair, usually Siberian Stallion. Stallion tail hair was used because mares get urine on their tails, discoloring and weakening the hair. White horse hair, when wet, is very translucent and stretches more than you would think.

If you can't find any, let me know. I may have a bit left over from when I was making lines and leaders.
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by Roadkill » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:44 pm

Easy to acquire cast keepers for your leaders come with a local beer and are easily replaced. ;) :D

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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by Bazzer69 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:03 am

Roadkill wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:44 pm
Easy to acquire cast keepers for your leaders come with a local beer and are easily replaced. ;) :D

ImageIMGP8989 by William Lovelace, on Flickr
Beer Mats!!! Haven’t seen one of those in a while. Hardy used to sell a nice plastic version of this leader storage card. I would love a few but haven’t been able to find one for many years.
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by FliTrap » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:55 pm

hankaye wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:02 pm
REE, Howdy;

Got some old milk jugs??? You have a template ...

hank
Check out the plastic boxes from music CD's..... they will hold 2-3 of your leader discs (may need to adapt diameter?) Then there are different boxes and such to organize your boxes! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by ronr » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:55 am

Bill when we get together later this month.. we need to work on a few of these cast keepers...I have plenty of beer coasters...
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by Trevis » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:10 am

Theroe wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 6:38 am
great stuff - love the milk jug idea, Hankaye!!
In the late 19080's, I was on a custom leader kick - it is a lot of fun. Plus you can fabricate leaders for any purpose, and get your tippet to behave exactly how you want. Anymore, I just buy 9' tapered to 3X, and add my 5' of 3X with three loops on the end. It is fast, easy, and suits my fishing. Changing flies and the 5' looped tippet only takes seconds....


One other point - the absolute very best tippet material is Damyl Tectan Superior - NOT their fluorocarbon. It has the suppleness of the very early pinkish DaiRiki(pre oblong spools), color of Umpqua mono, and strength of ANDE Tournament monofilament.
I use .20mm 8.2# test for the looped tippet, and .18mm 6.6# test for the dropper flies. I snell all of my flies on 4 1/2" looped droppers. When Im out of DAMYL, I use Maxima green.

just my 2 cents FWIW
Hi, I wondering who sells this? Is it available in the USA?
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Re: Custom Leaders - My next adventure

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:28 am

Speaking of tippets, I recent purchased Cortland Co-Polymer Nylon Tippet spools in 3x, 4x, and 5x. They rate them as strong if not stronger than the comparable fluorocarbon tippets. Anyone else try Cortland Co-Polymer Nylon Tippets?
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