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Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:45 pm

letumgo wrote:Mike - The tutorial on changing screen color is a VERY useful tip. I wish Donald Nicolson saw this tutorial. It may be very helpful to him, due to his eye troubles. Thank you.
My pleasure, thought it mght be useful when you mentioned the cape colours.
There is no way I could spend the amount of time on the computer as I do without it. Trying to look at some stuff as "standard" really kills my eyes. I hope it helps a few people. It does make a massive difference to a lot of things.

If anybody has any problems with it just ask.
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Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:06 pm

Just to make that clear, this is what the forum looks like in most browsers without any modifications;

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this is what it looks like after you have set up as shown and toggled the colours;

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You can click on those images to zoom them.

The effects will work on any website.
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Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:33 pm

Something else I ought to point out there, I have no personal experience at all of American insects or waters. The general principles will work anywhere, as will many general flies used in a general manner, but many specific flies will not, or not very well, even if used as designed. You need to apply the principles to your own insects and waters. If you do that then your flies very definitely will work better and you will catch more fish.
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Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:11 am

I found a few bits and pieces which might be useful and will collate and post them as I have time. If you are having trouble sourcing mohair dubbing , some firms do selection boxes which are not bad at all.

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from here; http://www.irishflycraft.com/fly-tying- ... -page.html

http://www.flyfishersparadiseonline.com ... /agdls.htm

http://www.flyfishersparadiseonline.com ... /agdds.htm

http://www.baxterhouseflyshop.com/servl ... er,/Detail

http://www.deschutesangler.com/Fly+Tyin ... bbing.html

http://www.flyfishingoutfitters.com/fly ... ubbing_ang

http://www.amazon.com/Hareline-Wapsi-An ... B008VEQ4K2

other firms also do various selections.

Those are NOT endorsements, just sources. I can't vouch for the quality or grade ( fineness/texture) of any of this. You can also pick up mohair ( angora goat) in many wool shops.
Mike Connor

Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:29 am

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Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:45 am

There are a few growers who have raw locks in different grades, this is best if you want to make up your own stuff, you can also then dye it to exactly what you want. An example with notes on quality, grades etc;

http://www.ronanfibers.com/ronanfibers_009.htm

There are some in America, and other places as well.
Mike Connor

Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:39 am

Yes, sorry, as a couple of people pointed out the search at the Internet Archive is not always very reliable On some books it produces no or limited results. My own searches are much more reliable and precise. Anyway, this book is quite important;

http://archive.org/search.php?query=tru ... %20shipley

It has some information on mohair in it ( and is also a good book in many others respects), an example;

http://archive.org/stream/truetreatiseo ... 4/mode/2up

a search turns up no hits at all. Some very similar things can not be found without a specific search, and sometimes not even then, "Worsted" is one such;

The name comes from the village of Worstead in Norfolk which was a fabric centre of some note. The only difference to ordinary wool is that the fibres have had the crinkle removed.

Worsted is usually a tightly woven woollen cloth, made from long-staple combed wool yarn. For making flies, doubtless the yarn was mainly used. See also “stuff”

Stuff is a an old general term for worsted cloth, it could be twilled or plain, usually often made of common wool. Stuff was often found in black but also in every other color. The name comes from the village of Worstead in Norfolk which was a fabric centre of some note. The only difference to ordinary wool is that the fibres have had the crinkle removed.

“Tammy” mentioned in the remarks to the “Brown Shiner”, is a worsted cloth (a wool or wool and cotton mix. Worsted means a firm-textured, compactly twisted mainly wool yarn made from long-staple fibers) with a glazed finish. This is chiefly of interest as “shiny” materials of this nature, apart from some wire ribbing, and very occasionally tinsel, ( although this was not widely available)were extremely rare on such flies. This is the closest to a “synthetic” I have seen in such flies. I have two other patterns which specify “tammy” as a body material. The “tammy” could be any color of course, and this would then be specified


Ordinary sheeps wool may be used for a number of things, but is not ideal for most dubbing purposes. Mohair, or other fur is invariably better. Of course, wool is available everywhere in a whole host of colours and shades.It will work alright on some flies. See also “tups”

Some dressers used untreated sheeps wool for a number of things, but it is very messy to use, as it contains large amounts of natural oils and fats, and is also invariably absolutely filthy! I prefer to use clean materials. Of course, wool, on the skin, varies very widely in quality. Icelandic Sheep is often sold as saltwater streamer hair, but I found it quite useless for this, it knots up badly in water.

isabella; isabel; isabelline; dingy greyish-yellow color, as of unwashed underwear. The term was used by Walton and Cotton to describe the colour of a fly, and a couple of other authors have used it since. It is the same colour as the unwashed wool from a ram´s testicles. It has also been described as “light dun yellow”. J Chetham “The Angler´s Vade Mecum ( 1689) also mentions Isabella coloured mohair.

In all cases where wool or similar is mentioned you can use mohair. You need to use finer grades of mohair on some small flies for some purposes.

The same applies to wool. various fibres can differ a lot.
Mike Connor

Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:54 am

There are a few books with similar names and various authors.

http://archive.org/search.php?query=the ... de%20mecum

This is the one referred to;

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-ang ... 1029996989

you can get a reprint here;

http://www.chethams.org.uk/publications.html

Chetham's Library Facsimile Editions

A new facsimile edition of James Chetham's
The Angler's Vade Mecum:

Or, a compendious, yet full, discourse of Angling: Discovering the aptest methods and ways, exactest rules, properest baits, and choicest experiments for the catching of fresh water fish. Together with a brief discourse of fish-ponds, and not only the easiest, but most palatable ways of dressing all sorts of fish, whether belonging to rivers, or ponds; and the laws concerning angling, and the preservation of such fish.

Universally agreed to be one of the most significant works on the subject, James Chetham's descriptive account of the art and science of fly-fishing is written with experience, clarity, and an acerbic wit. First published anonymously in 1681, the volume deals with every aspect of the sport, containing Chetham's observations on the most commonly encountered fish, descriptions of the dub-flies to be used each month, and an appreciative chapter on roasting, broiling, or stewing one's catch, which even includes an 'excellent French bread to eat fish with'. Praise for his prose style is to be found in Westwood and Satchell's Bibliotheca Piscatoria of 1883: 'He escapes from the category of manual makers, and takes rank, as one of the original writers on the sport'.

The third edition, originally published in 1700. Measuring 15.5 x 21.5 cm. 326 pages with index and two pages of facsimile cuts. Elegantly bound in blue cloth with gold lettering on the spine.

£22.50 including post and packing to the UK
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Re: Wool

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:34 am

If you want to try it but are not sure what to get then the assortment Bill Bailey makes up is probably a very good choice, he is very knowedgeable indeed about textures, dyeing, etc and such an assortment is good for blending;

http://www.feathersmc.com/products/Bill ... d%20Mohair

Kid_mohair

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Our Friend Bill Bailey has been at it again. We now have Bill's Kid Mohair dubbing, just like it was 150 years ago. Dyed to Francis Francis specifications and colors using all natural dyes just like they did back then. He also spends a great deal of time carding it by hand to deliver only the highest grade dubbing that will amaze you in its ease of use. You get the 12 colors shown above per assortment for $12.95.

I don't know whether Bill has any other sources available. If he reads this perhaps he will comment?

The book referenced by Francis Francis is here;

there are lots of editions, and other works by him as well;

http://archive.org/search.php?query=fra ... %20angling

this is a good one;

http://archive.org/details/bookonanglingbei00franiala

has some lovely plates;

http://archive.org/stream/bookonangling ... 1/mode/2up

http://archive.org/stream/bookonangling ... 4/mode/2up

and a lot of other information;

http://archive.org/stream/bookonangling ... 6/mode/2up
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Re: Wool

Post by letumgo » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:38 am

* chuckle *

You certainly are thorough. :D ;)

Thanks Mike. Great information. I especially enjoyed the part about the Isabella coloured mohair. These little details are gems worth knowing.
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