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Mini Muddler

Post by paparex » Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:45 pm

Several years ago I saw a mini-muddler in this site I can no longer find it The link has been taken down Does anyone have suggestions on how to tie a mini-muddler in a 16 or 18?
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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by letumgo » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:14 pm

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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by paparex » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:21 pm

It may have been posted by Mark Libertone (sp?)
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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by letumgo » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:56 pm

I don't remember Mark posting a mini muddler pattern here, but you could be right. Mark also posted many of his patterns over on "The Fly Tying" website.

Here is a shortcut link to Mark's patterns on The Fly Tying website:
http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php? ... oft-hackle


This may be the post you were looking for:
http://www.flymphforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2220
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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by letumgo » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:34 pm

Here is another link you may want to look at. This is a blog by Dave Wiltshire, a very talented British fly tier. He did a series of mini muddier flies, which may be of interest to you.

http://davewiltshireflytying.blogspot.c ... ?q=Muddled
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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by hankaye » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:03 am

paparex, Howdy;

Here's a good video about tying one if that's what you're looking for ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqNgUdyAAns

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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by Tom Smithwick » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:52 pm

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Flaring deer hair onto a hook. Not many seem to know this method, so I thought I would post it. The guy who taught it to me said he saw it in a beginners tying book, and was at first annoyed that anyone would teach beginners such a dumbass method that obviously would not work, except that it did work when he tried it. The hair does not actually spin onto the hook, it takes about 1/4 turn, and then locks into place with no further wraps through the hair. You just keep tension on the thread, shove the hair backwards to compress it. Then take a couple wraps in front of that bundle and add the next bundle. You can get an extremely dense body with a little practice. I drew the method out, because when actually doing the tying, the hair bundle is in your fingers until the final pull.
Drawing 1 shows the thread attached to the hook, and a bundle of hair held horizontal over the hook. The hair is encircled by the thread, BUT the thread does not around the hook as you would if spinning the hair, it lays on the near side of the hook with the bobbin hanging below it. Drawing two shows the hair bundle raised to the vertical, then shoved down onto the hook shank with half the bundle on either side.
In drawing 3 the bundle is slid forward to just behind the eye, and the leading edge of the thread loop is hooked with a dental pick and teased over the hook eye and under the shank. After that the bundle is slid back to the tie in point, and the bobbin is pulled to tension the thread. When the thread gets snug enough to start flaring the hair, let go of the hair and pull the thread tight.
This is an excellent method for bass bugs, and for adding hair to a muddler head. However, I think the spinning method is better for putting on the first bundle where you want the tips splayed backwards around the body. Dang - I don't know how the photo got flipped, If on of the moderators can rotate it right, please do.
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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by hankaye » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:30 pm

Tom Smithwick, Howdy;

I clicked on the photo and when it showed up in a separate screen it was
in it's proper orientation.

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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by Tom Smithwick » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:40 am

That works for me too, Hank. On my Ipad it comes up correct in the post?? Sorry for any confusion. I should have mentioned in the post that when you get the feel of this method it's possible to tie in two colors of hair at one time. For example if you want a bug that is white on the bottom and black on top, just make the bundle with the white hair on the far side of the hook shank, and the black on the near side. When you pull the thread tight, the hair will take 1/4 turn on the shank pretty reliably, and you will get the two tone color effect. It won't be perfect, but it's a quick and effective method. You won't end up on the cover of "Fly Tier", but bass aren't so picky.
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Re: Mini Muddler

Post by William Anderson » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:36 am

Tom, thanks so much for the explanation of this technique. Something I have never seen. Spinning deer hair has always been something that I avoid. I'm sure with some practice I can get a better result, but I'm usually disappointed and looking for something else to tie. I'll give this a try and see if I can't put a few more muddler's in the box. Nice technique.

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