Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

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Re: Found Lemon Spaniel!

Post by hankaye » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:17 am

Bazzer69, Howdy;
Bazzer69 wrote:I have the final ingredient for the original Tups dubbing as published back in the thirties. Lemon Spaniel! I was at my local archery club weekly indoor shoot and lo and behold one of the members showed up with a twelve week old English Spaniel. What makes this more rare is that in California you cannot legally purchase a though breed dog. He is a lovely colour and he’s agreed to donate a little of his lovely soft coat!
Congratulations on finding a source for your "Lemon Spaniel" fur! :D I also wish you the best when you put all the materials
into your fly and look forward to seeing the results.

However, an Old English (aka Springer), Spaniel would be colored Liver and White not Lemon.
https://www.google.com/search?q=old+Eng ... 25&bih=712
However a Cocker Spaniel would look more like this
https://www.google.com/search?q=Cocker+ ... 25&bih=712
Cockers come in a multitude of colors but the yellows (Buff), are the closest to the Lemon but that's just my opinion.

I also noticed the statement that I highlighted above and it struck me as odd, perhaps not so much for Cali. but odd none-the-less.
A quick Google to see what the law is only shows the Cali only recently prohibited the sale by retailers of non- rescue
puppies to kill the puppy mills. The sale of dogs however needs to be accompanied by a document from the breeder
with the particulars of the animal ie. breed, gender,dob, and that it is free of disease. So, a pedigreed dog should be a
normal purchase, even in Cali.

Excuse me if I may have come across as a bit harsh, but you appear to be a person that is picky about "correctness"
in the things that concern you and I thought you might appreciate the 'correct" information instead of incorrect being
put out.

Cheers,

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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by Bazzer69 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:25 pm

I’m disappointed to the introduction of politics have been introduced to the forum, maybe my fault to my reference to the
Dog laws here in California
Being a Brit and a ex owner of a Springer Spaniel I’m well aware of the colour being Liver and not Lemon, however the young puppies are generally a lighter colour than the adults. If you look at the photos of samples of the original dubbing you can see some darker materials there, so I’m guessing this could be the Spaniel. Either way when I have some dubbing finished I shall publish the results
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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by wsbailey » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:57 pm

If it passes the "Duck Test" then why not use it. No need for a DNA test.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test
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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by Bazzer69 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:41 pm

wsbailey wrote:If it passes the "Duck Test" then why not use it. No need for a DNA test.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test
Lol!
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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by Bazzer69 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:01 am

I thought I had the correct Spaniel fur, but I find out there is indeed a lemon colored Springer Spaniel what I have is Liver. Lemon, althoughits a old color, is considered to be a bad colour by the akc now I am having to carry on searching for some Lemon fur, but I’m thinking that a little peroxide on the liver fur that I have might make it lemon. But I really don’t see the need for it since the Rams wool has a lot of lemon colour in it. You opinions would be welcomed
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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by hankaye » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:07 am

Bazzer69, Howdy;

Thinking you might find some fur approximating what you are looking for.
http://www.petwave.com/Dogs/Breeds/Engl ... aniel.aspx
Only a suggestion.

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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by Bazzer69 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:03 pm

hankaye wrote:Bazzer69, Howdy;

Thinking you might find some fur approximating what you are looking for.
http://www.petwave.com/Dogs/Breeds/Engl ... aniel.aspx
Only a suggestion.

hank
Actually Hank I visited a local groomers who was just stripping a older yellow lab. The underfur looks ver lemon to me. Of course I grapped a bunch
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Project nearly complete!

Post by Bazzer69 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:31 pm

I have now successfully mixed some Tups Dubbing as revealed to be Austen’s original recipe ie Rams Tups Wool, Baby Seals fur and Lemon Dog fur.
I belended the materials using a carding board the I made ( it’s a great way of blending dubbing) until the proportions looked as close to the photo of some original dubbing bearing in mind it likely faded after so many years. I was hoping to find a original Tups fly or even better some dubbing, but alas I haven’t found either. So mine is likely to vary a little from the original.
I’m sending out some packets of my dubbing to a couple of people who have helped me a lot with soft hackle materials. So having a little excess to my personal requirements I offering a few smaller samples to anyone who would like some. Just pm with your address and you will get some. This is limited to what I have so it will be around the first half a dozen. There will be enough to tie at least a dozen flies.
Thanks
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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by letumgo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:49 pm

Barry,

Thank you for generously sharing your tups blend. Very kind of you. ;)
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Re: Rams Scrotum wool for Tups Dubbing, it really exists!

Post by Theroe » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:09 am

Awesome Barry - I can’t wait to see some of your handicap work!!
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