Hook rants and other nonsense

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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by WiFlyfisher » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:20 am

More of my nonsense comments:

1) Dana, don't give narcobuddy +2, it will go to his head.

2) Hen capes for soft hackles - I feel Collin's hen capes are the best by far and they are more difficult for me to find.

3) Other types of bird feathers - today, I buy from BRF or Cookshill for quality soft hackle bird skins
Originally I bought my first Cookshill from Jim, then Great Feathers and now direct from Cookshills a couple times a year.

Have you seen Competitive Angler's Cookshill offering? https://competitiveangler.com/product-c ... rs-hackle/

I have bought a lot from them because they offer a lot of unique, quality items, versus the everyday brands like Hareline, Wapsi & Whiting.

John
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by tie2fish » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:29 am

WiFlyfisher wrote:More of my nonsense comments:

Have you seen Competitive Angler's Cookshill offering? https://competitiveangler.com/product-c ... rs-hackle/

John
Thank you very much for this link, John. Looks yummy.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by WiFlyfisher » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:45 am

tie2fish wrote:
WiFlyfisher wrote:More of my nonsense comments:

Have you seen Competitive Angler's Cookshill offering? https://competitiveangler.com/product-c ... rs-hackle/

John
Thank you very much for this link, John. Looks yummy.
Bill,

I also really like the Jack Mickievicz Squirrel X-B Blends (UV Enhanced) from Competitive Angler. I have all colors 3+ deep. https://competitiveangler.com/shop/body ... -enhanced/ Actually, I like all the different Jack Mickievicz blends for tying wets (https://competitiveangler.com/product-c ... ng/page/4/).

If you ever stoop to using beads (I do for some nymphs) they have the best quality, tight fitting, heavy tungsten beads I have ever used. They are by far not the cheapest, but the best TG beads, in my opinion. I personally really like the "light coffee" color. https://competitiveangler.com/shop/bead ... s-25-pack/.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by narcodog » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:55 am

daringduffer wrote:
narcodog wrote:I spoke to Joe at Dette's about soft hackle material and specifically Cookshill. He had spoken to Great Feathers who Bill is eluding to. His answer was that by the time you paid for shipping, customs duties and inspection it would just not be profitable. The shop I worked in had both Veniard's and Cookshill to get the price point we had to add many $$$'s to the retail price. It's also a limited market as there is very little info on true spiders, flymphs and soft hackle tying. That is one reason this forum is so special and better access is needed.
I understand the reasoning behind this but....if it is not making needed profit in itself, maybe it would draw other business to the shop? Think about Blue Ribbon Flies. I guess they sell items that might cost them money to provide but makes their business attractive. It's about finding that balancing point. Probably our niche in fly fishing still is just too small, or most shop owners are outside, not even looking in. I can't blame them...

dd
I have been a customer of BRF for years and I have been in the shop many times. Their selection of soft hackle material is limited to what is locally available. They don't have the imported hackle we as s/h tyers desire. The shop I worked in had a Scottish Grouse we had to charge $70.00 for it, we sold them but it took two to buy it, they split it in half. I think that Cookshill has been fortunate that customs have not opened any of his packages because he would most likely be out of business for shipping to the US.
I have also spoken to Charlie Collins about overseas shipping. His understanding with his customers is pretty straight forward. I'll sell the material to you BUT if it gets hung up in customs and the product is destroyed it's your loss. He shipped to Japan and Ireland and I don't know if he ever had a problem.
Joe is not like that, he with his new business, could not stand to take a hit of a few thousand dollars.
He already has to pay import fees on the Marriott rods and the Partridge hooks he imports which is reflected in his prices .

On a side note I bought one of his Marriott 9' 6" rods from him in 3/4 line weight, I must say it is a sweet casting rod. I have not fished it yet but I am looking forward to it when I get out west next month. Some may ask why the 3/4 designation? According to the sales literature, 3 is for presentation and four for distance. It should be a very good soft hackle rod.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by tie2fish » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:22 am

WiFlyfisher wrote:
tie2fish wrote:
WiFlyfisher wrote:More of my nonsense comments:

Have you seen Competitive Angler's Cookshill offering? https://competitiveangler.com/product-c ... rs-hackle/

John
Thank you very much for this link, John. Looks yummy.
Bill,
If you ever stoop to using beads (I do for some nymphs) they have the best quality, tight fitting, heavy tungsten beads I have ever used. They are by far not the cheapest, but the best TG beads, in my opinion. I personally really like the "light coffee" color. https://competitiveangler.com/shop/bead ... s-25-pack/.
I do use the occasional bead, John, but they are nearly always black.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by Smuggler » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:14 am

Nice hooks you've got there ;)
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by daringduffer » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:17 pm

I hear what you say, narco. BRF was just an example of a well known business, not as a 'our niche supplier'. Are you telling us you bought a Marryat rod? They have a very good reputation for 'our' fishing in UK. Philip Bailey/Bob Smith used to sell them.

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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by WiFlyfisher » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:06 pm

Smuggler wrote:Nice hooks you've got there ;)
I knew you would bite. ;)
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by narcodog » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:15 pm

daringduffer wrote:I hear what you say, narco. BRF was just an example of a well known business, not as a 'our niche supplier'. Are you telling us you bought a Marryat rod? They have a very good reputation for 'our' fishing in UK. Philip Bailey/Bob Smith used to sell them.

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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by Theroe » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:21 pm

WiFlyfisher wrote:More of my nonsense comments:

1) Dana, don't give narcobuddy +2, it will go to his head.

2) Hen capes for soft hackles - I feel Collin's hen capes are the best by far and they are more difficult for me to find.

3) Other types of bird feathers - today, I buy from BRF or Cookshill for quality soft hackle bird skins
Originally I bought my first Cookshill from Jim, then Great Feathers and now direct from Cookshills a couple times a year.

Have you seen Competitive Angler's Cookshill offering? https://competitiveangler.com/product-c ... rs-hackle/

I have bought a lot from them because they offer a lot of unique, quality items, versus the everyday brands like Hareline, Wapsi & Whiting.

John
sorry - the combination of Fulling Mill 50 packs & Pearsalls in the same photo intoxicates me a bit.
Also - i hardly use beads, usually black or brown tungsten for weight purposes. WholesaleFlyCompany has top quality beads & hooks cheaper than anywhere I have ever seen.....1/8" tungsten beads for $10/100, hooks $7/100

And Yes I love Cookshill.....

Dana
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