Hook rants and other nonsense

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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by wsbailey » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:10 pm

There's no legal issues involved with starlings and house sparrows. I once found a frozen, juvenile starling. It felt good not having the least concern about keeping it. I find it odd that a company can legally destroy an entire ecosystem but picking up some feathers can land you in prison.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by redietz » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:29 pm

wsbailey wrote:Legal to hunt and legal to sell can differ. For example, where I live there's a limit of 25 coot per day and 50 to posses (last time I looked). But federal law won't allow the sale. Luckily, they are easy to get from the UK. Some of the birds I'm talking about are landrail, lapwing and tawny owl.
I don't think they're much used in the UK, either, nowadays.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by wsbailey » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:44 am

Leisenring used landrail wings in a fly or two. Chukar tail feathers have a similar color. Starlings are now completely protected in England but N. Ireland and Scotland allow exceptions for agriculture.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by daringduffer » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:21 am

wsbailey wrote: I find it odd that a company can legally destroy an entire ecosystem but picking up some feathers can land you in prison.
Amen!

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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by William Anderson » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:30 pm

daringduffer wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:56 am
WiFlyfisher wrote:I think ages is getting to me... I definitely prefer bronze hooks versus black nickle hooks.
Maybe it is age, me too am older than last week, but I have the same preference for bronze hooks. I bet your experience is much more vast than mine, but confidence doesn't need to be based on science. In all walks of life, sound confidence is a good thing. When tying and fishing it is essential. (This last statement isn't an opinion, it is a fact). And that is relevant for choice of material and their sources too. If you want a discussion about ultimate choice I will have difficulties to participate :)

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This thread really took a few turns. Very interesting. John, I’m so glad you linked the earlier thread on hook color. What a treat to read John Shaner wax on about hook color and literature. I don’t know anyone with a more severe hook fetish or more knowledge on the subject.

I still stand by my 2013 comments and I’m certain I can’t always say that. I am tying more on nickel colored hooks, mostly Fulling Mill hooks. But my go to are still middle of the road bronze shades. They just blend with materials in a way that are pleasing.

So here’s where things have taken a turn in recent years. It’s still my opinion that a trout finds a positive trigger in seeing a fly as food and ignores the hook, but I have made a significant shift in covering more of the hook in material. I followed a lot of contemporary tiers in my earlier years, like Hans, for instance. And there was an aesthetic that required a real minimalist approach, definitely warranted when tying delicate wet flies, but I know I was erring on less and avoiding more. I like my bodies longer, fuller and tapered more in the past couple years. It’s a subtle shift but it goes towards a theory that while trout ignore the hook, offering more hook surface doesn’t get provide any advantage. I’m tying on smaller hooks wrapping longer hackle. I’m catching many more fish in recent seasons but there are dozens of reasons for that and none include hook selection.

I’m digging the longer, barbless points found on the more contemporary hooks. They have an elegance that nicely compliments a soft hackled fly.

I think I need to get my camera out. It’s no fun talking about this stuff without visuals. And thank you, John, for making that a possibility again.
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Re: Hook rants and other nonsense

Post by WiFlyfisher » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:41 am

William, although I have a strong preference for bronze hooks, I am not convinced the trout care.

I used the Henry's Fork as another testing ground in August. Trout on the HF have time to really inspect the fly and food forms drifting by them. Those are some of the most finicky trout I have ever drifted a fly over. I was using both bronze and black hooks (dry & wet). Those trout will refuse a fly with the slightest amount of drag or flies that are just a couple mm off in size. They are extremely fussy SOBs, especially in August! :lol: But I did NOT notice the hook color had any negative or positive effect on trout accepting my fly. Presentation was #1, followed by size and shape, but hook color was never a factor in my opinion.

All the small flies I tied and used out West this year were tied on Fulling Mills (bronze), TMC #2488, or Firehole Hooks (black).
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