Fox Squirrel patterns

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Fox Squirrel patterns

Post by ForumGhillie » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:33 am

I received this today from Cookshill... awesome colorations!!

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So what old spider and wet fly patterns called for fox squirrel?

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Re: Fox Squirrel patterns

Post by wsbailey » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:33 pm

The squirrel fur in "Brook and River Trouting" is from red squirrels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_squirrel
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Re: Fox Squirrel patterns

Post by Greenwell » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:50 pm

The English Red Squirrel supplies the traditional fur as stipulated in B&RT. The introduced North American Grey Squirrel is displacing the native animal and is making the Red squirrel a rarity. The pictured skin looks like a NA Red Fox Squirrel.
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Re: Fox Squirrel patterns

Post by Smuggler » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:27 am

Right on with what these guys said. Nevertheless, you'll be able to make some killer MB flymphs with some of the back fur and the tawny brown flank fur mixed together.

General HE nymph's too!
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Post by tie2fish » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:42 am

Smuggler wrote:Right on with what these guys said. Nevertheless, you'll be able to make some killer MB flymphs with some of the back fur and the tawny brown flank fur mixed together.

General HE nymph's too!
Plus Dave Whitlock's gems.
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Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:06 am

I decided I had to try tying a "true" flymph with the red fox squirrel. I waxed up (Bailey's wax) a piece of Pearsall's Gossamer pale yellow silk thread and placed a piece of white paper on my leg along with the strand of silk thread. I am definitely a newb at this but it worked to my amazement. Gauging the exact amount of dubbing and the length needed is not as simple as it appears. Leisenring and Hidy must have had a lot of patience.

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I assume it is okay that the thread on the hook shank was Veevus, but the body is just silk thread with squirrel dubbing with silver wire ribbing. (Fulling Mills 'bronze' hook).

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Post by Old Hat » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:03 am

Well done!

I love fox squirrel for dubbing. As mentioned it is especially good for March Brown patterns.

Gauging the right amount of dubbing and length of thread to dub as well as building the strands is an art in itself. There are even subtle differences in how the dubbing will appear dependent on what the medium is you use under the strand when you build it. You put paper under it. That will look different than if you just used your pant leg or a wood block. I don't think it makes a difference, just it can make subtle changes. A base with more texture or "grab" will cause the dubbing to mat a bit more and I think makes it easier to build that cigar shape to the body.
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Re: Fox Squirrel patterns

Post by Smuggler » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:47 am

Looks good to me!
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Post by tie2fish » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:47 pm

Talk about "buggy" !! I'll be very surprised if that doesn't catch, John. Nice job.
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Re: Fox Squirrel patterns

Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:08 pm

Guys, thank you, but I am not looking for compliments, I am looking for suggestions on tying flymphs.

For example... How long do you normally gauge the length of silk thread needed to create the spun body?

I plan on teaching Jim some new tricks of the trade. :lol:

Thanks,

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