Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

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Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by WiFlyfisher » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:51 pm

When tying wingless wets (also called soft hackle flies by many fly tiers today :) ) do you have a preference using up-eye hooks, straight eye hooks, or down-eye hooks?
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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by daringduffer » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:01 am

WiFlyfisher wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:51 pm
When tying wingless wets (also called soft hackle flies by many fly tiers today :) ) do you have a preference using up-eye hooks, straight eye hooks, or down-eye hooks?
Yes, I have. :D

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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by daringduffer » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:17 am

Seeing a lot of snelled flies (pre eyed hooks) has given me the preference for straight eyed hooks. When I began tying these flies many years ago I used coarse fishing hooks, Kamasan B525, which is the same as Daiichi 1480. They just look right when tying north country flies. For flymph style flies I can use de or ue, mostly de. H S Hall had done his deed before Big Jim started tying flies.

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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by Old Hat » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Not really. I have never noticed a difference in "catching" between the three. I tie on all 3 and it really just boils down to how I like the look of the fly to be. I do like the look of straight eye for spiders. An up eye just says "flymph". But for fishing, most of what I tie on is down eye.
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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by tie2fish » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:20 am

What Carl said ... :roll:
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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by WiFlyfisher » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:44 am

It is the upwards hook eye on flymphs that made me think about asking others. Fishing a flymph/wingless wet just under the surface film the up eye hook makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by Theroe » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:52 am

I DO prefer up or straight eye hooks for most applications, for a couple of reasons. In smaller sizes the wider gap results in more hookups. And up eye hooks tend to ride "correctly" in the water giving a proper presentation. Oliver Edwards also noted this in one of his writings....
At any rate, the more hooks the merrier!!


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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by WiFlyfisher » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:30 pm

I would love to find and try a upturned hook, like Mustad 94842, BUT in a heavy wire nymph hook for tying some flymphs and wingless wets. Does anyone know of one?
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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by Old Hat » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:45 pm

I have some vintage Mustad 3913A 2x long in #13 and #16. Also Mustad 3980 in #14 and #9. As well as Mustad 31217 in #15.

The 3913A's and the 3980's are slightly reversed.

The 31217's are a limerick bend.

I'm not sure the wire but definitely heavier than the 94842.

Let me know. Happy to send some.
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Re: Up-eye, Straight or Down-eye hook?

Post by Theroe » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:27 am

WiFlyfisher wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:30 pm
I would love to find and try a upturned hook, like Mustad 94842, BUT in a heavy wire nymph hook for tying some flymphs and wingless wets. Does anyone know of one?
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What type of bend do you prefer?
All of the ones Carl mentioned are very good. I have a model with a limerick bend, 2x heavy Mustad, with a black Japan finish that is excellent, I just don’t remember the number. Plus some Herters Blackpool Nymph in size 10 & 12. Also have some old Partridge wich are quite nice. This evening when I get home I will dig them out and send you a picture.
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