Timeless fly tying advice

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Re: Timeless fly tying advice

Post by Greenwell » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:18 pm

WiFlyfisher wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:43 am
Fascinating!!

1) So within the pages of the book are the actual materials and flies, not drawn plates?

2) Did they use some sort of tying vise?

John

John,

1: These are actual flies and materials. While not truly the first "specimen" book, Blacker did some as well as a handful of others before Aldam, it is the first fly tying book published specifically as a specimen book and so stands as a milestone in angling literature.

2: It's hard to be certain if the flies were tied "in hand" or not. The two Mayfly patterns are reported to have been tied by James Ogden. In Ogden's 1879 book Ogden on Fly Tying he pictures a fly tying vise, the first ever illustrated, so I would imagine that he was using a vise prior to this date and perhaps the Mayflies were dressed using one. His daughter, Mary Ogden-Smith is credited with dressing the other flies and it would be reasonable to assume that she was using a vise in this time period also. Interestingly, many tiers, especially commercial tiers, did not adopt the fly tying vise initially. Some dressed the majority of the fly in their fingers and only used the vise to hold the fly when the finishing knot was applied. So in answer to your question, who knows?
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Re: Timeless fly tying advice

Post by redsedge » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:00 pm

PhilA said:
Concerning Datus Proper, the photo below *understates* my respect and admiration for What the Trout Said. Check out the neighbors ... fly fishing royalty!
Phil,
My late friend Gordon Wickstrom would be quite embarrassed, and pleased, to have seen your books with the accompanying statement!
I also admit to having great admiration for Datus Proper's What the Trout Said. There is much to learn and absorb there. I, however, only possess one copy. ;)
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Re: Timeless fly tying advice

Post by ForumGhillie » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:11 pm

Greenwell wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:18 pm
WiFlyfisher wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:43 am
Fascinating!!

1) So within the pages of the book are the actual materials and flies, not drawn plates?

2) Did they use some sort of tying vise?

John

John,

1: These are actual flies and materials. While not truly the first "specimen" book, Blacker did some as well as a handful of others before Aldam, it is the first fly tying book published specifically as a specimen book and so stands a a milestone in angling literature.

2: It's hard to be certain if the flies were tied "in hand" or not. The two Mayfly patterns are reported to have been tied by James Ogden. In Ogden's 1879 book Ogden on Fly Tying he pictures a fly tying vise, the first ever illustrated, so I would imagine that he was using a vise prior to this date and perhaps the Mayflies were dressed using one. His daughter, Mary Ogden-Smith is credited with dressing the other flies and it would be reasonable to assume that she was using a vise in this time period also. Interestingly, many tiers, especially commercial tiers, did not adopt the fly tying vise initially. Some dressed the majority of the fly in their fingers and only used the vise to hold the fly when the finishing knot was applied. So in answer to your question, who knows?
John,

I have only heard of specimen books, I have never seen one... so thank you for showing it and explaining it to this dumb cheesehead who enjoys history.

I have never seen in hand an old "hand-tied" fly (meaning no vise), but the old photos I have seen if in fact they were hand tied amaze me. I have tried to tie a couple, Lee Wulff style (with a drink near by) and I cannot imagine how they tied them so well.

Side note: I have also watched an old Hardy rod building video and the lady appeared to be wrapping the guides by "hand" as well, which just floored me.

John
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Re: Timeless fly tying advice

Post by PhilA » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:49 am

redsedge wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:00 pm
My late friend Gordon Wickstrom would be quite embarrassed, and pleased, to have seen your books with the accompanying statement!
JimA
Jim,
I never met Gordon Wickstrom but have certainly enjoyed his writing. Such a thoughtful and scholarly author. He is someone that I would love to have shared a few campfires with. --Phil
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