North Country spider article

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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Mike62 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:45 pm

What I think I know of the mysteries surrounding Berners comes from McDonald as well. There was also a paper put out by the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville entitled "A Flourynge Aege: Tracing the Sacred and the Secular in the Book of St.Albans" by Allison Treese.

https://scholarworks.uark.edu/cgi/viewc ... ontext=etd

It's 36 pages and if the house is quiet and you've got a fresh pot of coffee on, it's an interesting read.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by wsbailey » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:22 pm

That looks like a really interesting read. I’m waiting for a more peaceful time to read it. I dyed some wool yarn with Medieval era dyes and colors. The problem for me is that most tyers know a lot more about the current state of the art than the Middle Ages. So I’m hesitant to show them to anyone. I once showed the yarn to a woman at a yarn store and she wouldn’t believe that I used natural dyes because the colors are so bright. So they had bright colors; just not very many of them. Only a few natural dyes are really durable. These would be favored for a tapestry in a cathedral, for example. A shop producing inferior goods wouldn’t be around long. Most dyeing was done by professionals. The average person or even the well off didn’t have access to the necessary equipment or supplies. Even with the relatively small amount of stuff that I dye; I still use a lot of water. Any dye shop would have to be near a spring or a river. So the idea of a fisherman dyeing his own wool to match the hatch makes no sense at all.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Theroe » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:21 am

Mike62 wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:45 pm
What I think I know of the mysteries surrounding Berners comes from McDonald as well. There was also a paper put out by the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville entitled "A Flourynge Aege: Tracing the Sacred and the Secular in the Book of St.Albans" by Allison Treese.

https://scholarworks.uark.edu/cgi/viewc ... ontext=etd

It's 36 pages and if the house is quiet and you've got a fresh pot of coffee on, it's an interesting read.
Mike has ALL the goodies: article resources, snowshoe bunny feet, grouse wings, and oh yes, that lovely red cattle fur!!
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by wsbailey » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:08 pm

The download goes to show, that without any new documentation, the mystery continues. Another recent discussion can be found in “The Poetics of Angling in Early Modern England”. The materials are more interesting to me though. John McDonald appears to favor John Waller Hills view that the Maure fly represents the Green Drake fly. Skues believed that it represented the Alder fly. But Hills also says that maure means mulberry coloured. Here is my two cents worth. By time the Treatyse was written; English had acquired a huge influx of French vocabulary due to the Norman invasion of 1066. These French words were still spoken as they would be in French. So if we pronounce mauré as Murray; then it sounds like the word murrey which is the name for purplish red.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murrey
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by wsbailey » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:44 am

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Re: North Country spider article

Post by daringduffer » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:28 pm

wsbailey wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:44 am
Alfred Ronalds Alder Fly

https://archive.org/details/flyfishento ... 9/mode/1up
Bill Bailey - our investigator. Thanks.

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Re: North Country spider article

Post by wsbailey » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:58 pm

I used the British spelling because I used the word in the British context.

https://www.bcsba.org.uk/coloured-sheep ... red-sheep/

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Re: North Country spider article

Post by wsbailey » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:50 am

So where could a fly tyer of the Middle Ages have found his wool. Probably lots of places but in "A World of Insects" we learn that the word caddisfly comes from: "caddice men of the middle ages - itinerant salesmen that attached the pieces of yarn, cloth, and ribbons that they sold to their coats. This resulted in a walking catalogue of their wares".
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by daringduffer » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:49 am

wsbailey wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:50 am
So where could a fly tyer of the Middle Ages have found his wool. Probably lots of places but in "A World of Insects" we learn that the word caddisfly comes from: "caddice men of the middle ages - itinerant salesmen that attached the pieces of yarn, cloth, and ribbons that they sold to their coats. This resulted in a walking catalogue of their wares".
Clever suggestion.

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Re: North Country spider article

Post by jcwillow777 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Just came across this thread yesterday. This has been one of the most informative threads I've read in a little while. BTW, I bought "The History of Fly Fishing," which came out November of 2019, as a Christmas gift to myself. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Looking to get Volume 2 in the near future, as well as "Fishing for the North Country" when it becomes available.

Keep this going, I am relatively new to spiders and soft hackles and I am loving the discussion! John, I absolutely love the pic and comments on the monks.
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