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Re: North Country spider article

Post by RobSmith1964 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:11 am

Curious that Skues took aim at Halford in the Fishing Gazette rather than The Field in which Halford wrote.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Anherd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:13 am

RobSmith1964 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:20 am
The difference between this and a robust discussion, is the inherent malice of Mr Herd which is fuelled by an unseen hand. I am fully aware of this and will say no more on the matter.
Except that Johno owns Mr Herd some money for a lost bet 😁
It is not malice, Rob—we have never met, so how could it be?

If you publish stuff, then you have to live with other views. That's why I always footnote anything contentious in books, so readers can check it and make their own minds up.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Anherd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:24 am

RobSmith1964 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:11 am
Curious that Skues took aim at Halford in the Fishing Gazette rather than The Field in which Halford wrote.
Skues had a go at Halford in The Field in 1904, just testing the boundaries, I guess. Then he had a real crack at him in The Field in 1911, but Halford died in 1913. So Skues did take aim at Halford on his home territory.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Anherd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:35 am

RobSmith1964 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:41 am
http://www.fishingmuseum.org.uk/origins.html

Is it safe to assume that all the medieval anglers were bait fishermen, and that no anglers used the fly. Strange that these illustrations are in religious buildings given Mr Herd's view that they merely netted carp ponds. It is also strange that archaeological research at Bolton Abbey beside the River Wharfe shows zero evidence of the existence of fish ponds. Ponds that were once fought to be fish ponds have actually turned out to be Tanning Pits. Replicate a percentage of these findings across a small proportion of monastic buildings, and Mr Herd's statement about them not taking the opportunity to fish their local waters starts to crumble.

http://www.fishingbookreviews.co.uk/bul ... ermen.html
The question here is whether there is proof that medieval monks in Britain were fly fishermen, isn't it, Rob? If we can't prove that monks fished a fly, then we can't prove that they were involved in taking care of the North Country fly fishing tradition, and you still need to persuade me that a. the Romans fished a fly, and b. that they sent flies to Britain, and c. that they made their way to monasteries (why not everywhere else), so no trying to wriggle on this particular hook! :D
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Anherd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:37 am

RobSmith1964 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:09 am
I'm a blunt Yorkshireman, barracking has never stopped my from putting forth my point of view. Much to many's cost ;)
From where I sit, Yorkshire's in the south of England. You are very nearly a Londoner, mate :D
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by RobSmith1964 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:39 am

Anything south of Sheffield is technically France !
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by RobSmith1964 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:42 am

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The question here is whether there is proof that medieval monks in Britain were fly fishermen, isn't it, Rob? If we can't prove that monks fished a fly, then we can't prove that they were involved in taking care of the North Country fly fishing tradition, and you still need to persuade me that a. the Romans fished a fly, and b. that they sent flies to Britain, and c. that they made their way to monasteries (why not everywhere else), so no trying to wriggle on this particular hook! :D
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But there we have the leap of faith that I am prepared to take and you are not.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Anherd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:51 am

RobSmith1964 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:42 am
The question here is whether there is proof that medieval monks in Britain were fly fishermen, isn't it, Rob? If we can't prove that monks fished a fly, then we can't prove that they were involved in taking care of the North Country fly fishing tradition, and you still need to persuade me that a. the Romans fished a fly, and b. that they sent flies to Britain, and c. that they made their way to monasteries (why not everywhere else), so no trying to wriggle on this particular hook! :D
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But there we have the leap of faith that I am prepared to take and you are not.
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Which is perfectly fine, Rob. But it is a leap of faith. All I have said is that there is no proof for it, which isn't because of any hidden hand guiding me (scary or what?), and isn't hubris. And if you make a leap of faith, then you have to allow other folk to either leap the other way, or to point out that you have leaped.
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by Anherd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:53 am

RobSmith1964 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:39 am
Anything south of Sheffield is technically France !
You are completely wrong there, Rob, anywhere south of Sheffield is Greece. Get out your atlas mate 8-)
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Re: North Country spider article

Post by redietz » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:18 am

I love stuff! So glad you choose this forum to have this discussion.
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