Big, ugly palmer wets

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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by ForumGhillie » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:40 am

Theroe wrote:
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John

You are in “night fly” territory, which is a big thing in eastern and central Pennsylvania.....
George Harvey even developed a series of pusher flies, which work quite well. Do you ever stay late when the fish are feeding at dusk??
Very nice flies by the way!
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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by Theroe » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:30 am

oh BOY - thats a nice FAT fish !!
Soft and wet - the only way....
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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by ForumGhillie » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:43 am

Jim S. recently received a boat load of hen & rooster Metz capes and saddles. He is sending me a couple of Metz capes to see if they will work for my big palmered wet flies.
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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by Old Hat » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:15 pm

I can certainly see why that would be a great twilight fly, especially for drakes. I will have to add a couple of these to my tying.
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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by bocast » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:55 pm

I strongly recommend the Whiting Coq de Leon hen saddles and capes for this. The speckled brown Coq de Leon hen feathers are soft and strong and spectacular, even if the flies I tie aren't yet.

Example: body hackle on this fly
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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:31 am

bocast, nice tie!

I have a couple of CDL hen capes, but they are not tapered enough for how I like them for palmer wet fly patterns. The feathers are shorter and more rounded at the top, at least mine are.

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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by bocast » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:02 am

ForumGhillie,

If you want the pronounced taper, I agree the Coq de Leon capes don't have that. For " brahma-muddler type" ties and for long soft body hackle without a taper they are great.

I might try using the Swiss CDC clamp to spin up an angled sampling of the CdL hen feather to see if that works. The dubbing would have to match the barb color. I'll give that a try to see if I can get a pronounced taper.
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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:28 am

bocast, I have never heard of the Swiss CDC clamp tool before. That looks like a great tool for all sorts of soft hackle patterns, although pricey.





I might have to buy one. :-)

Update: While outside raking up piles of willow branches and burning them I kept thinking of that video and how useful that tool could be. So I decided to order one from Amazon while outside on my iPhone. :lol: It will arrive Tuesday in time for the long Holiday weekend.

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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by bocast » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:21 pm

John,

That Swiss CDC clamp is worth every penny. I've tied deer hair hackle wets that are truly unique, sporting a sparse hackle, one turn of deer hair, on a classic wet fly body. I put Dave Hughes' advice on tying wet flies with fur to get really sparse and effective fur collars on my wets using the Swiss CDC clamp; this essentially created whole new series of flies. I am testing to see which catch more fish the game bird hackles or the fur hackles or mixed hackles. I also upgraded my trout spey flies by tying a sparse collar of moose mane then applying ostrich barbs as a front collar. The difference in action between stiff moose mane under the ostrich and soft ostrich in front makes the fly undulate even in a slow swing.

Also useful is the ability to save the remnant of a cool feather and spin it into a hackle with an automatic thorax. Those few woodcock feather barbs left over after tying a standard hackle get used. The effect is slightly different, but definitely fishable. I can turn almost anything into a decent throat hackle by spinning it in a loop, taking one turn around the hook shank then backing thread over it while I hold the throat hackle down below the shank with my fingers. I feel like I'm saving a lot more money on materials than the cost of the clamp.* You can get some wild hackles using this thing. Some of my experiments definitely bordered on the Frankenstein side of the tying aesthetic.

Thread strength matters. I use Veevus 10/0 for my standard trout wet flies. Uni 8/0 isn't strong enough. For larger flies like steelhead or trout spey flies, Veevus 8/0 or even 6/0 work great. I use the OPST dubbing spinner, about two to three good spins. I don't use dubbing wax for feathers or most fur, but do use it for composite loops for dubbing, deer hair and flash. I use Loon Swax (sticky) very, very sparingly. One stick will last 5 lifetimes of daily tying.

I use a Loon pawn to hang the dubbing loop while I prepare materials and load into the clamp. I pay attention to how far up the curved edge my materials sit. That's what makes the Swiss CDC clamp better than a standard office paper clamp. The sweeping curve of the upper edge lets you work small, in the hook sizes on which flymphs are typically tied. Make sure to hang your dubbing spinner on the dubbing loop before you slip the clamp in. Slow and easy lets you create really delicate hackle. Placing the index finger behind the dubbing loop before spinning let's you disperse or adjust the contents of the loop with the tip of a blunt bodkin. If you are trimming the material in a loop, for example rabbit fur, you need a steady hand and sharp scissors. Less is more. Practice makes perfect.

Once you get the hang of it, that clamp is wonderful. It opens up new possibilities.

Btw, I don't have any financial ties in any way, I'm just a fan.

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Re: Big, ugly palmer wets

Post by Old Hat » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:52 am

This is seems to be a really nicely designed clamp. I have used the Pettijean set for years, it works great but appears to be a bit clumsier than this newer design.
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