Killer Tups softhackle

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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by letumgo » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:42 pm

Here are the different variations I tyed:

Flymph Version: (honeydun hen hackle and tail)
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Spider Version: (dun hen hackle)
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Tenkara Kebari Version: Tups Killer Kebari(Wayne - this version was tyed with the Coachman Brown Hen you gave me. Thanks.)
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Hook - Scud/Emerger Hook (Size 12)
Thread - 8/0 UNI-Thread (Camel)
Hackle - Hen Saddle Hackle (Coachman Brown)
Rib - UTC Wire (Small/Natural Copper)
Abdomen - Chadwicks 477 Yarn Sub (Berroco Ultra Alpaca Fine/"Steel Cut Oats"/Color # 1214)
Throrax - Mike Valla Tups Blend (creamy pink wool blend)

Curved Caddis Version: Tups Killer Caddis (coturnix flank hackle)
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Hook - Scud/Emerger Hook (Size 12)
Thread - 8/0 UNI-Thread (Camel)
Hackle - Coturnix Flank Feather (creamy tan with bold markings)
Rib - UTC Wire (Small/Natural Copper)
Abdomen - Chadwicks 477 Yarn Sub (Berroco Ultra Alpaca Fine/"Steel Cut Oats"/Color # 1214)
Throrax - Mike Valla Tups Blend (creamy pink wool blend)

Coturnix is also known as Japanese Quail. The hackle feather for this fly comes from the breast region of the skin, near the wing,

The last version is my favorite of the lot. The coturnix hackle (aka - Japanese Quail) has a creamy tan with striking barring. Gorgeous feathers.

All of the flies were tyed with the Chadwicks 477 yarn substitute, Phil (ThirdMeadow) kindly provided. Really nice stuff! I'm afraid I'm hooked on this stuff already. Thanks Phil. You warned me... :D ;)
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by tie2fish » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:09 am

That quail would serve as a quite good sub for Golden Plover, Ray. All of your excellent versions of the Killer Tups are instantly recognizable as being in the genres you have assigned to them, and your tying, as per usual, is impeccable. The kebari shows off Wayne's gift hackle to good advantage, but I would also like to see a similar fly from you with a light blue dun hackle.
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by Ruard » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:07 am

Ray,

Bill said all the things I would say and better ;)

I like the hackle in the last one and the last one as total.

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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by letumgo » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:39 am

Thanks for the kind words guys. Glad you liked them.

Bill - I will try the kebari version with a light blue dun hackle. I wish I had a grizzly dyed that color too. I think it would go nicely with this pattern.
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by Old Hat » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:33 pm

Both of those are very nice Ruard. I guy could not go wrong with either on the end of his leader.

Great work everyone. Nice ties!
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by letumgo » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:40 pm

bumping an old topic showing the Chadwick 477 sub
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by Bazzer69 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:07 pm

This is one I would give a try, dunno about the curved hook though, I would tie it in a spider short shank hook such as those from partridge
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by letumgo » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm

Barry - Can you elaborate on your hook comments? I’d like to hear more about why you would choose one versus another. Advantages/disadvantages/reasoning. ;)
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by Bazzer69 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:30 pm

letumgo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm
Barry - Can you elaborate on your hook comments? I’d like to hear more about why you would choose one versus another. Advantages/disadvantages/reasoning. ;)
Very easy. The first is just looks, soft hackles have been tied on shorter shanked hooks for ever. Check out Davie McPhail he uses a normal length hook shank but ties the body short. Look at Bob Smiths book, all his beautifully proportioned flies are short shanks. I suspect maybe short shanked hooks just swim better although I have no proof of this. Curved hooks? look great to a lot of people but most nymphs are straight, also my experience is they don’t hook nearly as well. Give me a nice straight shank hook with a perfect bend. One again look great in the fly shop, but do the fish like them more?
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Re: Killer Tups softhackle

Post by ForumGhillie » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:16 am

Bazzer69 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:30 pm
letumgo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm
Barry - Can you elaborate on your hook comments? I’d like to hear more about why you would choose one versus another. Advantages/disadvantages/reasoning. ;)
Very easy. The first is just looks, soft hackles have been tied on shorter shanked hooks for ever. Check out Davie McPhail he uses a normal length hook shank but ties the body short. Look at Bob Smiths book, all his beautifully proportioned flies are short shanks. I suspect maybe short shanked hooks just swim better although I have no proof of this. Curved hooks? look great to a lot of people but most nymphs are straight, also my experience is they don’t hook nearly as well. Give me a nice straight shank hook with a perfect bend. One again look great in the fly shop, but do the fish like them more?
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I agree. I am not sure there is any advantage for using curved wet fly hooks for soft hackles. I am shying away from them, including for my caddis larva patterns and pupae soft hackles.

BTW, great looking patterns, Ray!
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