Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Moderators: William Anderson, letumgo

Tiny trout
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:38 pm

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by Tiny trout » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:47 pm

William Anderson wrote:A fished Green Drake (presumable Western Green Drake, although its as yellow and bright as an Eastern Green Drake) pattern with an underwing of brightly dyed deer hair. There is a mottled hen hackle and there is a type of hair hackle in front, too thin to be deer, looks more like hares mask guard hairs, but I'm not sure.


Nemes tied Green Drake
Image


Image


An interesting tippet knot, not one I use. If you recognize it I'd be curious to hear what it's called.
Image
Davy knot. See Midge Magic by Holbrook or Internet search.
User avatar
hankaye
Posts: 6582
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:59 pm
Location: Arrey, N.M. aka 32°52'37.63"N, 107°18'54.18"W

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by hankaye » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:29 pm

Tiny trout, Howdy;

Welcome to the fun! Have you nosed around the various different forums we have here?
Hours of excellent reading. Groups of information with lots of helpful folks popping up
from all over the Earth.

hank
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949...
"Every day I beat my own previous record for number
of consecutive days I've stayed alive." George Carlin
User avatar
hankaye
Posts: 6582
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:59 pm
Location: Arrey, N.M. aka 32°52'37.63"N, 107°18'54.18"W

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by hankaye » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:29 pm

dub-ya, Howdy;
William Anderson wrote:A fished Green Drake (presumable Western Green Drake, although its as yellow and bright as an Eastern Green Drake) pattern with an underwing of brightly dyed deer hair. There is a mottled hen hackle and there is a type of hair hackle in front, too thin to be deer, looks more like hares mask guard hairs, but I'm not sure.


Nemes tied Green Drake
Image


Image


An interesting tippet knot, not one I use. If you recognize it I'd be curious to hear what it's called.
Image
It's an odd looking knot, generally the tag ends are pointed to the bend.
Closest I could find is the Orvis Knot, which has the tag facing the rod.
http://www.animatedknots.com/orvis/
Hope that helps.

hank
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949...
"Every day I beat my own previous record for number
of consecutive days I've stayed alive." George Carlin
User avatar
hankaye
Posts: 6582
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:59 pm
Location: Arrey, N.M. aka 32°52'37.63"N, 107°18'54.18"W

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by hankaye » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:54 pm

Howdy All;

To late to edit my last reply. Followed Tiny trout's idea, highlighted the phrase > Midge Magic by Holbrook <
left clicked on it and selected Google search. Went to Amazon and 'Looked Inside". On page 6 was a box
with a drawing of "The KNOT" no other name and was credited to someone's son form the Salt Lake City area
way back about 1999. Even if the tag ends up at 90° it looks like a good one to me...

hank
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949...
"Every day I beat my own previous record for number
of consecutive days I've stayed alive." George Carlin
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by Mataura mayfly » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:58 pm

My vote is for the Palomar knot, as it looks to me like the tippet has passed through the eye of the hook twice?
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
User avatar
letumgo
Site Admin
Posts: 13346
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:55 pm
Location: Buffalo, New York
Contact:

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by letumgo » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:42 pm

Jeff - I was thinking the same thing, although the Trilene knot also passes thru the eye twice too.
Ray (letumgo)----<°))))))><
http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php? ... er=letumgo

"The world is perfect. Appreciate the details." - Dean
User avatar
hankaye
Posts: 6582
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:59 pm
Location: Arrey, N.M. aka 32°52'37.63"N, 107°18'54.18"W

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by hankaye » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:42 am

Howdy All;

I had thought of the 2 of them but discounted due to the bulk
Palomar;
http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/
Trilene;
http://www.animatedknots.com/trilene/

hank
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949...
"Every day I beat my own previous record for number
of consecutive days I've stayed alive." George Carlin
Tiny trout
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:38 pm

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by Tiny trout » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:39 pm

Thank you for the welcome.
I am overwhelmed by the amount of information on this forum.
I am going slowly through all the old posts so I can catch up, and I am having a lot of fun doing it!
Dom
Mataura mayfly
Posts: 3648
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:28 am
Location: Southland, South Island, New Zealand.

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by Mataura mayfly » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:34 pm

letumgo wrote: the Trilene knot also passes thru the eye twice too.
As does the "grinner" knot, does it not?

Hank, you are assuming (from a Military background?) that everybody follows the rules and regulations as set out in the manual. This particular knot may be none of the above, or it may be one of the above tied with one or two less wraps before tightening- thus leading to less bulk.
Maybe it was tied in the heat of the moment when the rise was on and the fly needed to get in the water quick and short cuts were taken!
Or the tier had come to learn that a couple of turns was enough for the size of fish he most often encountered?
"Listen to the sound of the river and you will get a trout".... Irish proverb.
User avatar
hankaye
Posts: 6582
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:59 pm
Location: Arrey, N.M. aka 32°52'37.63"N, 107°18'54.18"W

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Post by hankaye » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:25 am

Mataura mayfly,

Jeff, did you look at the knot I referred to in my "Edit" first post, Actually a second posting.

"
To late to edit my last reply. Followed Tiny trout's idea, highlighted the phrase > Midge Magic by Holbrook <
left clicked on it and selected Google search. Went to Amazon and 'Looked Inside". On page 6 was a box
with a drawing of "The KNOT" no other name and was credited to someone's son from the Salt Lake City area
way back about 1999. Even if the tag ends up at 90° it looks like a good one to me..."

Granted it has only one turn through the eye, but I'm not ( ;) ), convinced that the one in the photo
shared by dub-ya does. Perhaps he can confirm if it does indeed or only a single turn. Which would
follow your tyed in haste theory.
It was my understanding that the number of turns used was not a option and that a certain number were
required for the knot to do it's job. Proper military thinking would be "Adapt, Overcome, Survive" . :D , ;) , :lol: .

hank
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949...
"Every day I beat my own previous record for number
of consecutive days I've stayed alive." George Carlin
Post Reply