Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by letumgo » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:35 am

Me too. I'm interested to see if it fishes differently on a regular fly rod, versus a Tenkara rig. I think the Tenkara method would likely to be closer to the dip tank, since your line stays off the water most of the time. I'm not sure about the false hook-ups bit. If a fish takes the fly, I think it will hook them just fine. After I saw the dip tank results, it gave me confidence in the fly's emergent insect-like impression at/on/in/and below the water's surface.

We'll see how it works, come spring. If anyone else ties and fishes these, I'd love to hear the results.
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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by ForumGhillie » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:09 pm

I am sure the fish will approve of your soft hackle fly pattern. What I meant by the false hook-ups was based on all the dry fly patterns tied with the hook barb facing upwards. Although yours is not a dry fly so you may not have the problems the upside down dry flies have had...
It appears flies on these hooks have not got a great reputation for catch rates and hook hold.

Here is an article discussing hook-up dry flies - http://flytyingjournal.blogspot.com/201 ... n-k3a.html
Here is a second article - http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/troutflydesign3.shtml
Hopefully your neat soft hackle pattern wont have that same issue. Let us know.
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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by letumgo » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:00 pm

John,

Thanks for the links to the two articles. Very interesting reading. After looking these over, and looking at the up-side-down dry flies, I think part of the hook-up issue stems from the hook design and the way materials is tyed to the hook (possibly interfering with the hook set). I don't think this will be an issue with my fly, since it is tyed with soft materials (soft hackle and herl thorax). The materials are soft and small enough to not interfere with the hook gap. The final proof will come with field testing.

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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by FliTrap » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:28 pm

Simply stunning results! All the way around, that fly will fish in so many ways! Easy to tweak with color changes to cover a range of critters! As I studied your pics, one came to mind!
Wondering if tied the same pattern, tied on DAIICHI 1270 curved nymph streamer (a few light wraps of lead in the thorax area?) in shades moving towards olive, would so well, work for dragonfly nymphs?

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Thank you so much for sharing this one!!
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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by letumgo » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:35 pm

:D

You are very welcome. I am happy to hear you liked the pattern, and are planning to adapt the pattern to make it your own. Go for it! The Daiichi 1270 is a nice hook, and the longer length would be very useful for a dragon fly/damsel imitation. Excellent idea. ;)
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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by FliTrap » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:52 pm

Oh, and by the way.... I found that by putting a bit of off-set (turning the point out to the side, just a few degrees!) into the "Lightning Strike Scud/Emerger Hooks", it increased the hook-up rate! (an old trick from catfish rigging.....) It would also maybe cause a bit more flutter to the fly if it sinks...

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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by ForumGhillie » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:48 am

letumgo wrote:John,

Thanks for the links to the two articles. Very interesting reading. After looking these over, and looking at the up-side-down dry flies, I think part of the hook-up issue stems from the hook design and the way materials is tyed to the hook (possibly interfering with the hook set). I don't think this will be an issue with my fly, since it is tyed with soft materials (soft hackle and herl thorax). The materials are soft and small enough to not interfere with the hook gap. The final proof will come with field testing.

Ray
Ray,

Yes, that why I mentioned to you your pattern being a soft hackle rather than a dry fly on an upside down hook might not have the same issues. I know last Fall I tied and used out West beadheads tied on Hends barbless jig hooks and they worked great, no hooking issues. From my testing and observing the flies in the river it seemed the weight of the tungsten slotted bead helped the fly ride with the hook point facing upward. Also, I noticed the trout were always hooked in the upper lip with the beadhead jig hooks.

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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by DOUGSDEN » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:01 pm

Ray,
Forgive me please for not finding this post sooner! It is absolutely awesome! And, the comments, praises, great ideas, etc. that everyone has contributed is equally awesome! I esp. like the "tank" that you came up with and the great shots of the pattern as it took on a good soak! It took some time but while it was in the film, very buggy looking indeed. We fully expected to see and insect pop out of the nymphal skin and take flight! All around good post and as always, We would love to see more from your creative mind and skilled hands!
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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by REE04419 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:59 pm

Doug has no reason to apologize for finding this thread late. I, on the other hand, should offer profound apologies to Ray. So, Friend Ray, I apologize for finding this thread late, for not telling you sooner what a stunning fly it is, for not telling you how much I appreciate the thought and imagination you put into each new creation and lastly for stealing this pattern and filling a section of my fly box with it. Well done, Ray. (Dang, I did find it sooner, just so long ago I forgot. Everything else remains the same, I'm still stealing it.)
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Re: Pheasant Ostrich and Quail ("Hunting Dog")

Post by FlyFisherMann1955 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:43 am

A very beautiful fish magnet! Your photography skills are top-notch too.

Thanks- Ken
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