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wsbailey wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:14 pm I think chukar tail make a good substitute for landrail.

That's a good piece of information, Bill. Thanks!

dj1212 wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:46 pm Great looking fly. Like it alot. Could you tell me what color the Veniard dyed starling is? Thanks

Thanks for the compliment. Veniard used to sell starling wings dyed brown as a credible sub for land rail; even those are in very short supply these days. I do not know whether they bleached them first or not.

The Cow Fly fly illustrated in Alfred Ronalds' "The Fly Fisher's Entomology" no. 6

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/ite ... 5/mode/1up

tie2fish wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:43 pm

dj1212 wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:46 pm Great looking fly. Like it alot. Could you tell me what color the Veniard dyed starling is? Thanks

Thanks for the compliment. Veniard used to sell starling wings dyed brown as a credible sub for land rail; even those are in very short supply these days. I do not know whether they bleached them first or not.

Thanks for the info. I love looking through the flies pictured on this forum.

wsbailey wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:01 pm The Cow Fly fly illustrated in Alfred Ronalds' "The Fly Fisher's Entomology" no. 6

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/ite ... 5/mode/1up

Thank you again, Bill. It looks as though Leisenring's recipe follows that of Ronald pretty closely.

tie2fish wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:38 pm

wsbailey wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:14 pm I think chukar tail make a good substitute for landrail.

That's a good piece of information, Bill. Thanks!

I don't own a chukkar skin, but I do have a nice French partridge which is a very close cousin. Yes, there are a few of the tail feathers where the color is close to the Veniard landrail sub. Unfortunately, they are relatively small with not a lot of area available for cutting out wing slips. Perhaps a real chukkar will offer more material.

Moscow Hide and Fur has lots of chukar for sale. They also sell the tails separately. Cutting the feather shaft maximizes the length of the slip but you're right, the size of the tail limits it's usefulness.

there's a guy down in Tennessee that has yellowish dyed starling for sale. I got some from him for the cowdung I tied for the last swap I participated in. My eye issues have "improved" enough to where I think I could start tying flies again.

Anyways the dyed starling wings are still sitting on my tying desk where I set them.

wsbailey wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:14 pm I think chukar tail make a good substitute for landrail.

+ 1 for Chukar, yet another highly underused, underrated bird. About 12 years ago or so, I was chukar hunting out west-one of the birds are shot I had a distinct olive cast to it. Of course I brought it home to use for soft hackles -But I had forgotten about it until I found it squirreled away in a bag last night while I was looking for something else!
Dana

Dana, your chukar sounds like it could stand in for a lapwing. I plan to dye a chukar skin with yellow dye for the same effect. Roger Fogg used Pantone markers on French partridge.