Upstream Wet Fly

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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by PhilA » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:58 pm

Greenwell wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:03 pm
Phil, that rod looks suspiciously like a PHY Perfectionist, perhaps from the Summers era.
Wow! Good eye. It's PHY #4036, a Perfectionist built by Bob Summers in 1962 (two years after Paul Young's death). Quite a remarkable rod. I've cast many Perfectionists, and this is the only one that in my hand is an honest 4wt. With aluminum ferrules and an all-cork grip, the finished rod weighs but 2.8 oz. It casts like a dream.

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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by Greenwell » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:23 pm

My Perfectionist is a bit later, 4898, and like your's it is "perfection" with a 4 weight and one of the best casting rods I've ever owned. My experience is also that most Perfectionists are better suited to a 5 weight.
Do you have any other PHY rods? I'm a Leonard guy primarily but some of the modern makers like Per Brandin, Leon Hanson, and Chris Vance are really pushing the limits of what cane can do. Exciting stuff.........

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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by Old Hat » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:37 am

I still have my very first reel. It is an all aluminum LLBean real that makes a god awful clacking that spooks every fish within 50 feet but is good for keeping away the bears in Yellowstone area. I think it was made by Hardy.
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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by PhilA » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:24 pm

Greenwell wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:23 pm
Do you have any other PHY rods?
John
John,
Do you know when your Perfectionist was built? And, by whom? It's not in Bob Golder's PHY database.
(http://phydatabase.com).

I'm quite a fan of Paul Young tapers. Strictly speaking, I own no other PHY rods, but I do own two other Bob Summers rods. (Summers almost certainly built my PHY Perfectionist, because it was built two years after Paul Young died, and it's signed in Summers' handwriting.)

One Summers rod is a model 275 (7'6" 2/2 supposed 4wt), which is his rendition of the Perfectionist. It is a wonderful and versatile rod. For example, the tip section of my PHY Perfectionist is very light, and the rod is not well suited for deeper nymph fishing. I fish it exclusively with dry flies. The Summers 275, however, is excellent for nymphs, wets, and dries regardless of the location in the water column. Like most other Perfectionists (and reproductions), however, the Summers 275 casts better with a 5wt line in my hand. I fish at pretty short distances here in WI, and others might line it with a 4wt for longer distance work.

The second Summers rod is his rendition of the PHY Midge. It's a 6'4" 2/2 true 4wt and is the sweetest casting rod I own. (The PHY Midge is a 6'3" 4wt.) The Summers Midge was quite a windfall. Bob Summers has for many years contributed annually a new rod in support of conservation projects on the Boardman River near Traverse City. Over a thousand raffle tickets are typically sold but, for the price of my $10 entry, I won the rod in 2003! Sometimes an angler just gets lucky.

Bob Summers' rods are immaculate and have an understated beauty that is hard to beat. Quite honestly, they are built better than many (most?) of the original Paul Young rods I've seen. That could be misleading, however, because Paul Young rods are great fishing tools. They were not bought by collectors, but rather by anglers who fished them hard for many years. Today, they are "old and gray", whereas many Summers rods are pampered as collector items. Not me ... I fish all my rods. And, if I damage one of them, so be it. That's what they were intended for, and I get great joy from fishing a great rod.

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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by Greenwell » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:06 am

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Phil,

A rather poor photo of my Perfectionist, for some reason I'm having problems loading pics. Anyway, I've owned it for over 30 years and never entered it in the database. The writing appears to be Bob's as I've owned several of his rods and it matched. Could also have been Todd's though, I'm no expert on PHYs. If you can tell from the photo, please let me know. BTW, the colors in the photo are not very good; the bag shows blue rather than the khaki it actually is and the grip looks washed out.........

This rod has very fine tips as well, 4/64" tip tops and the tips are book-matched. The light tips make it a perfect 4 weight. The build quality is typical Young, nice but utilitarian, which is fine with me. My idea of a good rod is one that casts well and I detest the tarted up confections one often sees today. It's part of the reason I like Leonards; good honest rods with almost Spartan aesthetics.
(Some friends and I have been searching out older light line Leonards, primarily Catskill models, the last few years and we've come across some wonderful rods.
I'm a real fan of the Model 40 Fairy Catskill, a 3 piece 8' rod that weighs between right around 3 oz. and takes a 4 weight. I have three at the moment and all are magical. Galen Mercer prefers the Model 39 Fairy Catskill at 8' and 2 1/4 oz. He's landed 21" wild fish on the West Branch Delaware with this toothpick. But that's another story........!)

Over the years I've owned several of Bob's rods, including a 275, 260, 6'4" Midge and an 856. I never found the 275 or 856 very much to my liking and sold them when the market was hot a few years back. The Midge was a nice rod but I don't really like anything shorter than 7' so it went too. The 260 I owned the longest but it ended up with a friend in partial trade for a Payne 197.
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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by ForumGhillie » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:06 am

Is this a little better Greenwell?
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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by tie2fish » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:05 am

Or this ... ?
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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by Greenwell » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:07 am

First one you fixed is better.

Thanks Bill!
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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by Mike62 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:32 am

Old Hat wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:37 am
I still have my very first reel. It is an all aluminum LLBean real that makes a god awful clacking that spooks every fish within 50 feet but is good for keeping away the bears in Yellowstone area. I think it was made by Hardy.
I still have my first fly reel, a Bronson Royalist 370. My grandfather gave it to me when I was a kid and I thought it was the greatest reel ever made. I just pulled it out to see if it still clacked like a carnival wheel of fortune, ...it does. It never occurred to me that the wonderfully unique sounds our reels make might be considered obnoxious. I've got a Hardy I fish quite a bit; the Orvis's and the Bean's and the Martin's; I love them all.

The ones I don't care for as much, and this thread has finally made me realize why, are my three Okuma's: ...they're silent.

In High School I found a Pflueger 1534 Progress at a yard sale for something like $5. The sound that one makes is subtle, almost demure. I'm right handed but I reel left and it never occurred to me when I bought it that it couldn't be reversed. I still have it so if anybody knows a trick to changing it I'm all ears.

I tried simply turning it around and fishing it that way but I just never felt right about it.
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Re: Upstream Wet Fly

Post by tie2fish » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:51 am

Greenwell wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:07 am
First one you fixed is better.

Thanks Bill!
That's the one John S. fixed.
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